30-06 id questions & clips

[poor man]

Hi guys, picked up some rounds today in a box of yardsale stuff,

i can read 30-06 on most of them BUT what i dont know is what does the black tips mean? and most of them are odd head stamps (pictures below to help) also what would the clips be for? ive never seen any for any 30-06.s ive seen....

thanks for the help....

 

[WNTFW]

M1 Garand Clips. The black tip rounds are AP. Some of the brass looks pinkish, which is a sign the brass lost some zinc and went to copper. Those cases may be a little weaker.

 

[rcmodel]

Right.

RA 43 means Remington Arsenal 1943 produced military ammo..

The one with the lead flat bullet sticking out backward is a dangerous reload of some kind.

Black tip is military marking for Armor Piercing ammo.

The logo on the M1 clip is the manufactures stamp of who made the en-block clip.

BR-W - Borg Warner Spring Division,Bellwood, IL (Post War) (**Markings also have a single digit 1 through 7 which denoted what press number clips were made on)

All except the AP appear to be reloads using various types of bullets.
I would suggest you throw them as far as you can, into the deepest lake or river in the area!!!

But don't shoot them what ever you do.


rc

 

[Clint M]

If the brass has a pink hue to it (it appears so by pictures) someone has probably cleaned it with a ammonia or even citrus, vinegar based cleaner which can cause deterioration/leaching of zinc ... possibly on surface maybe throughout case.. I agree with above posters I would not shoot any of this brass.

 

[rcmodel]

I'm not seeing pink brass on my computer.

I am seeing shiny scratched brass that appears to have been cleaned recently with a drill & course steel wool or a Scotch-Brite pad.

OP, do you know anything about that???

rc

 

[rondog]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVG_fWYD67o

 

[Salmoneye]

Small world...

I replied to your thread on KL...

I would definitely NOT shoot the reloads...

 

[Bexar]

Right.

RA 43 means Remington Arsenal 1943 produced military ammo..

The one with the lead flat bullet sticking out backward is a dangerous reload of some kind.

Black tip is military marking for Armor Piercing ammo.

The logo on the M1 clip is the manufactures stamp of who made the en-block clip.

BR-W - Borg Warner Spring Division,Bellwood, IL (Post War) (**Markings also have a single digit 1 through 7 which denoted what press number clips were made on)

All except the AP appear to be reloads using various types of bullets.
I would suggest you throw them as far as you can, into the deepest lake or river in the area!!!

But don't shoot them what ever you do.


rc

I'll ditto what RC said. The bullet(?) that appears backwards indicates the original owner may have been a reloading experimenter. I'd like to add one caveat...don't shoot that AP into a tree...or a sun baked berm. I've seen AP bounce back from a tree and a Texas sun-baked bluff. We used to shoot that stuff as kids back in the 70's and other military surplus ammo bought like it was scrap at prices you'd wince at today. Not pennies on the round...but dimes for boxes. Cheaper than current at the time for .22 LR ammo.

If that AP is originally loaded in 43' it's corrosive.

I wouldn't shoot any of it and since you didn't recognize the Garand clips that indicates you don't own a Garand. You have two salable items there. The Garand en-bloc clips and the RA43 cartridges. The Garand clips can go up to $2.00 each...mas o menos and a cartridge collector on here might be able to give you an estimate on the AP.

If you're a reloader pull the bullets...other wise...ditto...RC.

Thanks for posting the pics.

 

[Bexar]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVG_fWYD67o

Seventh round stoppage can sometimes be prevented by loading the clip with the last and first rounds loaded on the left. Gen. Hatcher U.S. Army who was the Chief of Ordnance Field Service advised this. . So much so govt. contractors were advised to do this.

His bona-fidis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Hatcher

Ibid. Chief of the Small Arms Division in the Ordnance Department and the Assistant Commandant of the Ordnance School before and at the beginning of World War II, he worked closely with Springfield Armory as an engineering trouble-shooter in resolving early production issues associated with the early iterations of the M1 Garand Rifle.

"Left is lucky...right is wrong."

 

[Bexar]

I'm researching it now for good bull but I think that RA headstamp might refer to Radford Arsenal. I'm certainly not going to question RC on anything but I have a feint recollection of Radford Arsenal production in WWII.

Yes...I do believe now it was Remington...Radford (currently in production and operated by BAE is a different munitions manufacturer.)

My apologies to RC.

 

[poor man]

I'm not seeing pink brass on my computer.

I am seeing shiny scratched brass that appears to have been cleaned recently with a drill & course steel wool or a Scotch-Brite pad.

OP, do you know anything about that???

rc

yes i do... the "kid"that was running the sale said he wire brushed a box of old ammo to "clean it up" im glad he didnt wire brush the clips too

im a nut when it comes to ammo il buy stuff even if i dont have the cal of gun lol.... mainly to break it down and deprime the brass and save the bullets for latter and throw the brass in the scrap bucket if it dont look good.... thanks

 

[poor man]

Small world...

I replied to your thread on KL...

I would definitely NOT shoot the reloads...

Thanks see ya over there latter

 

[poor man]

Thanks everybody for you help.....

 

[Cee Zee]

NEVER shoot reloads from an unknown source. Very, very bad idea.