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30-30 h335?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by sharpshooter81, Feb 16, 2012.

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  1. sharpshooter81

    sharpshooter81 Member

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    I just loaded 50 rounds of 30-30 with 31 grains of H335.....anybody have any experience with this load? Lee's manual says a starting load is 29.5 grains and max is 33 grains?.....Havent tried it yet just wondering how much more "whack" this would have over factory loaded ammo. Thanks!!
     
  2. rcmodel

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    Assuming a 150 grain bullet?

    It would have less "whack" then a factory load.

    You are only 1.3 over the starting load.
    It will give about 2,150 FPS in a 24" barrel.
    Less in a 20" carbine.

    A MAX load of 33.0 grains will come much closer to factory load performance.

    BTW: You probably should do some new load testing before you load 50 rounds of anything!!

    rc
     
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    Amen!

    Welcome to THR, sharpshooter81.


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  4. sharpshooter81

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    I was under the impression that the starting loads are very comparable to a factory load, at least thats what I have been told.
     
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    I'm guessing that you are fairly new at reloading, and again, I'm guessing that you do not have a chronograph to check your load velocities. That would likely show you that your load isn't up to factory load levels at this point. Factory ammo is usually loaded up near the top, pressure wise, and reload manuals try to emulate somewhere near the maximum SAAMI spec at their maximum loads.
    Somewhere between the minimum load listed and the maximum load listed, you're expected to find an accurate load with the ballistics to satisfy your requirements. That's pretty much it.
    Your present load may prove completely adequate for your needs, but you may chose to up the ante if you want.


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  6. rcmodel

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    You was told wrong.

    Starting loads are always at least 10% under SAAMI max pressure spec, and often more then that.

    For instance, Hodgdon lists it's H-335 max 150 grain load as 33.0 grains giving 36,200 cup.
    The 29.7 starting load as giving 28,700 CUP.

    SAAMI MAX pressure spec for the 30-30 was 38,000 CUP before they changed it to the present 42,000 PSI.

    So as you can see, even MAX loads may not equal factory loads, if they are loaded to full SAAMI pressure.

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    so my 31 gr of H335 would produce less felt recoil than factory ammo?
     
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    Yep, it should because you are producing less velocity, and energy.

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    Huh, learn something new all the time!....I have read and read and read and read and read to try to get my head around all this reloading and casting thing, but i guess i have missed some important stuff....so for a 30-30, the max load in the load data still dosent match that of the factory 30-30 ammo......hard to believe....darn.....
     
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    No, I didn't say that.

    There are several powders that will meet or exceed factory loads at safe pressure.
    But H-335 isn't necessarily one of them.

    Varget could give you another 50 FPS.
    H-4895 could give you another 100 FPS.

    But I wonder if you are reloading for all the wrong reasons?
    Your most accurate load is very often found before the MAX load is reached.

    And nothing you shoot with a 30-30 will be able to tell the difference between 2,150 FPS or 2,400 FPS.
    Dead is dead if you hit it in the right place.

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    Oh alright, it basically boils down to the specific powder. Gotcha. I dont necessarily want a load that will kick the crap out of my shoulder, thats not what I am getting at at all. I was going to test fire the rounds that I loaded and had no idea what to expect, thats all. These will be my first reloaded rounds ever fired!! Im a lil anxious to see what they will do.....I started at 31 gr because it was a "middle of the road" load according to Lee's manual.....not a starting load and not max load....Just wanted some insight as to what the load will do thats all, thought somebody might have experimented with this before me!!
     
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    Welcome to the forum....

    I'm just wondering, why did you choose H335 for the 30-30? The "classic" 30-30 powder is IMR3031 and Hodgdon has their new Leverevolution powder that works well in the 30-30 but when I think of the 30-30 H335 doesn't come to mine. (although it will work just fine)

    Please let us know how those rounds work out when you try them at the range. (or backyard if you're lucky like that lol)
     
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    H335 is a recommended powder for 30-30, along with BLC(2). That is where I started. It will work fine, even with FTXs, ~ 3" drop @ 100 over factory CL - 150s when loaded mid-range. I've tried H4895, H8205 XBR, Varget, Unique. Lever powder is better in my 336. You didn't state what bullet you are using, casting your own?
     
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    I have had great luck with TAC. I found the load data in guns n ammo when levereloution came out and tryed it with great results. I can kill a pie plate with a pre 64 winchester 94 and iron sights at 100y. My kid with a set of better eyes can group it 4" @ 100. I am happy with that with iron sights.
     
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    TAC will get close to factory velocities with 150 Gr Core-Lokts. It can also shoot under 1 MOA for three shots, if your careful, and the gun likes the Core-Lokt bullet, which is good enough for 100 to 200 yard hunting IMO.

    Reloader 15 gave an outstanding ES number for me the first time I tried it at a starting load, but I have not done any more with it.
     
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    Quite frankly no one can tell you for sure what the bullet will be doing velocity wise. At best it will only be a guess. Differences in components (bullet, primers, case) all effect the resulting pressure and velocity of the round that may be positive or negative as well as the elevation and temperature the day you shoot it. Only a chrono will give you empirical data and you will have to run factory ammo over it at the same time to get a base line for comparison as there is quite a bit of difference between the velocity of different rifles even of the same barrel length, make and model.

    New hand loaders generally worry too much about velocity of their reloads rather than working up their loads for the best accuracy out of their particular rifle. The +/- a10% difference in velocity makes no difference to the critter on the receiving end if the shot is well placed where a poorly placed shot or miss will regardless of velocity.
     
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    Thank you Steve C, its hard being a NEWBIE, lol, you have made me feel a little better about it anyway.....Lee's reloading book recommends H335 over the IMR3031....Book says powders listed at the top of the list would be more desirable to use, so I went with H335 because it was available here at our local sporting goods store, and it was farther up the list than the IMR3031 in Lee's book anyway.
     
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    I think Lee bases a lot of powder selections on what their dippers dip.

    Maybe not so much in the manual, but the powders recommended on the data sheet that comes with the die set & dipper is crazy most of the time.

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    does anybody have another load data book to see what the start and max load is for 150 gr jacketed bullet using H335? Just to compare it to lees info I guess... Also, what load data is everybody using? I was thinking about ordering a new Lyman 49th edition......thoughts?
     
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    I remember when I started reloading 30/30 my Lyman book said thatthe best two powders were WW748 and H 335.I use 34.5 grains of 748 which is the load long reccomended by Winchester.
     
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    Yeah I have a book called "The ABC's of Reloading" and it gives a great breakdown on all the powders and what their common usages are. It says...."H335 is a double base spherical powder that produces excellent shooting in 22, and 30 caliber cases.".....
     
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    Hodgdon says H-335 started out as a military powder for the 5.56 NATO.
    They further say it sees endless uses in small caliber cases such as the .222 Rem, and .223.

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    as soon as i experiment with my test loads ill give you guys a heads up on the results, kinda excited to see how it will do
     
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    RCmodel was right about IMR3031 and H4895. I've got but haven't used LVR in the .30/30. I've been feeding a .338MX lately, so haven't tried it in anything else.

    However, my favorite .30/30 powder is RL15. I've gotten another 50fps over H4895, and typically get 2,375-2,420fps with a 150gr Rem Corelokt from a 20"bbl.

    But, others are right too,when they say that another 200fps dosen't really make a great difference with the .30/30 and appropriate bullets.
    Bullet construction DOES make a difference.

    Other than the Rem. Corelokts, and Win. Power-Points, I can only recommend the 125gr Sierra H.P. on our "smaller" deer.

    H335 isn't that bad of a powder in the .30/30 as it is close to BLC2/Win748 which is what Winchester uses to load the factory .30/30 150gr load with. BTW; the velocity of the factory ammo is 2,275fps from a 20"bbl and the lot# I tested was 35.7gr of Win748 (or non-cannister equivalent.) The 31.0gr load will be just a little under the factory loads at about 2,150fps as another poster speculated.

    I didn't like H335 in the .30/30 as it is designed to work best at higher pressures than the .30/30 generates. I got or at least noticed a lot of flash from H335. Recently tried it in a .358win w/180gr bullets and noticed it again. It isn't my favorite .223 powder either as I get better velocities and accuracy from BLC2/Win748. But then again I prefer Reloader15 for this application also.
     
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