30 Day Revolver Carry Experiment

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I don't have any trouble hiding an N-Frame with proper clothing. Sure...the K and J-Frames offer more latitude, but I like having 8 shots of 357 or 6x45 ACP with moonclips. I use the little guns as BUGs/New York Reloads.

Nice S&W's, revolverforums.
 
Hey crebralfix, thanks for the comment. For me the guns are a passion, I gave up all my bad habits as I got older except collecting hand guns. :)

I have a thing for stainless and a good deal of my guns are stainless, this is about half of my stainless smiths. I also have a thing for 1911's but they have to have dancing ponies on them.

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With today's threats in a post-Mumbai world, you really should be carrying that 500 S&W Magnum snubbie :)

Nice...bottom row, second from right...details? It doesn't have the full lug...who made those grips on that 44? What ammo do you use in it...I can imagine that 240's slap a bit.
 
Dec 21, 2008

Today was another 357 Magnum day! I'm using Remington UMC 125 grain Jacketed Hollow Point ammunition.

Smith & Wesson Model 27 "new" Registered Magnum from Lew Horton with 3.5" barrel
Ruger SP101
3 Bianchi Speed Strips
1 HKS Speedloader for the SP101
2 Spyderco knives

The M27 was carried appendix and the SP101 was carried strong side IWB.

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A neat shot of the guns with full cylinders

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Guns in their holsters

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The S&W Model 27 Registered Magnum when it was new (pre-BB-Gun encounter)
 
I was about to ask, crebralfix, what you'd done to the wooden stocks to give the texture when I see you mention "pre-BB-gun encounter".

Can you explain? Sorry if I missed a description of it somewhere above. I haven't read every word.
 
Found plenty of ways to carry a revolver (Ruger Sp-101 or Colt Magnum Carry) comfortably, but NEVER a way that satisfied me for the speed loaders.

No matter how I try them.. strong side/offside on belt, in pocket of jacket etc they just seem 'in the way' and they roll around in a poket if unsecured.

My dad had an old Air Force tropical jacket that he converted to a hunting coat by sewing on elastic sections (ace bandages really) to shuff shot gun shells in.

Always thought that MIGHT be a neat way to carry speed loaders in a pocket, but it means altering a number of clothing items.
 
1) BB-Gun Encounter: I used a dremel with a round tip to texture them. The grips were smooth at the top and allowed the gun to twist in my hand under recoil.

2) Carrying ammo

This has been a major hurdle. I have designed, built, and tested a whole bunch of gadgets. I have found moon clips to be most easily carried like this:

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Simple moonclip holder

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Pocket Speedloader holder and speed strip holder

IWB Holder for SKS Speedloaders:

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IWB Speedloader holder

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Holds moonclips...

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...or speedloaders if you change the strap setting

IWB Dual 8x357 Magnum moonclip holder

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I have been using the simple moonclip holder for my 625 (6x45 ACP). I carry three in my pocket, with the bullet tips pointed outward. It works well and the moonclips stay in them. The kydex tube protects the rounds and keeps the moonclips from getting bent.
 
Moonclips were never an issue I MUCH prefer to use them but they are not an option on my Colt Magnum Carry (not going to alter a 1 year only production gun to moonclips). I've seen a lot of ingenius and comfy looking ways to carry 45acp moonclips. (One let 3 rounds inside the belt, 3 outside.)

Thing is concealing my revolver that uses moon clips, a Colt New Service 1917 Army Model, requires a pretty serious cover garment--and if I was gonna conceal that I'd prolly be starring in a film noir thriller--or wearing a leather pea coat.

The main complaint about speedloaders is how rigid/bulky they are.. your IWB things look really cool but for me speedloaders inside a waist band it's like shoving 2 D-cell batteries on your hip, OWB it's like I bump them on EVERYTHING, in a pocket they just flop around. Carrying the spares is my biggest complaint about packing a revolver.

I don't know if the holster Jodie foster had in 'Silence of the Lambs' was a 'real' rig or not , but speedloader pouch attached to the front of the holster might be a slick idea, since most still reload with the strong hand.
 
crebralfix: What kind of belt do you use with all that hardware? I'm impressed at its ability to take all that weight..... :scrutiny:

Dr.Rob said:
I don't know if the holster Jodie foster had in 'Silence of the Lambs' was a 'real' rig or not , but speedloader pouch attached to the front of the holster might be a slick idea, since most still reload with the strong hand.

I'd like to see a holster maker do that, too. Occasionally, I've used an autopistol holster w/ the mag pouch attached to the front to carry a revolver and speedstrip/SKS clip of ammo, but I'd love one with a double speedloader pouch setup instead.... :D
 
I use either a Galco plastic-biothane-abomination belt or a Don Hume #109. Both work well. I prefer the biothane belt because it resists bending; the gun tends to tilt back less.

As for "the stuff", most of it goes into pockets.
 
Carry Experiment

Interesting idea for a threat- When it comes to the idea of "how to carry" you have to answer some simple questions.
1- Where will I carry?
and
2- How do I hide it from sight?
Can you carry comfortably everyday? Yes, I have and do. Summer creates it's own problems- but for the rest of the year it's easy.
I agree with the problem of speed-loaders. They can hurt in pant's pockets and get lost in coat pockets. I find that in my jacket pocket they carry nicely (on the days that I wear a jacket otherwise I carry extra speed-strips)

Making your own custom carry gear is interesting but I don't see any reason to carry a stripper clip on your belt. That only makes one more thing to carry and one more thing that can be seen. Carry a stripper clip in your front pocket (strong hand side) where it will be out of sight. I've carried one there for years.
As a LEO I've carried on-duty and off- sometimes for days on end. Back in the days when we carried revolvers on duty we had something similar to what you've made for our speed-loaders. They were leather or man-made and pretty comfortable. The problem was that they stuck out and made an obvious bulge if you tried to wear them off-duty. The trick with a revolver is to carry one speed-strip in the pants pocket and one speed-loader in an outer pocket- ie, jacket or coat.
It's great to be able to carry concealed- but too much is not a good thing. The less you have on your waist- the comfortable it will be and the easier it will be to conceal.
From my years of carry experience I find that leather is more comfortable than the hard plastic holsters some companies sell. Sure, plastic is easier to make (and cheaper) but it's also HARD. On-duty carry it doesn't matter since you have a big bat-utility belt stuffed with gear. Off-duty it's another matter. Leather (or nylon) has some give. On-duty or Off I always carry in the same place and the leather is much more comfortable. I can sit, walk, run, sleep- whatever. The hip-side holster is very comfortable.
By the way-I tried in-the-pants holsters but I'm not as thin as I once was.
I WOULD like to see some pictures of you concealing your gun and ammo. It would help with the thread and the discussion if we could see what works and what doesn't.
 
Making your own custom carry gear is interesting but I don't see any reason to carry a stripper clip on your belt. That only makes one more thing to carry and one more thing that can be seen. Carry a stripper clip in your front pocket (strong hand side) where it will be out of sight. I've carried one there for years.

I'm not sure I understand this. I carry moonclips on the belt for really fast reloads. These are different than Bianchi speed strips, which I keep in my pocket.

I WOULD like to see some pictures of you concealing your gun and ammo. It would help with the thread and the discussion if we could see what works and what doesn't.

Sure thing...I'll get some photos done soon.

Generally, concealing this stuff isn't a problem. Only when I go with two guns IWB plus a moonclip holder do things get tight. However, some of my pants are too small (or lack elastic) for even two guns. In those instances, I carry a J-Frame in a pocket.
 
December 26, 2008

Only a few more days...the experiment continues. Over the past few days I have switched between the Model 27 and the 625. Both guns are reliable and fire substantial bullets. I think the 27 edges out the 625 in that it holds eight rounds in the cylinder and the barrel is 1/2" shorter (3.5"). The shorter barrel makes appendix carry easier and is about the maximum length of barrel for comfort. For some reason, I prefer the square butt frame over the round butt frame of the 625.

I'm working on some photos.
 
New Bianchi Speed Strip holders for the pocket:

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Finger ledge to assist in removing a strip


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I've been using these for the past few days. They work well and protect the rounds so the hollow points and sides don't get dented and dinged.

The double speed strip holder fits perfectly in a 511 pants mag/phone pocket. It's just the right height to get at.
 
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625 carry:

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625 carried in the appendix location with moonclip holder

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625 revealed...works just fine under a t-shirt too

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S&W Model 27 (appendix) and Ruger SP101 (strong side)

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All these guns hide just fine beneath a regular t-shirt. The sweatshirt just allows for a bit more flexibility in the movements I can make.
 
December 27, 2008

Today I'm carrying the Ruger SP101 in my strong side holster. I have the pocket HKS Speed Loader holder and the double speed strip holder in my 511 phone pocket...22 rounds total.

I may throw the S&W Model 36 into a pocket if I go out.

Only three days left!
 
Maybe it isn't all that critical for IWB carry...but I'd suggest investing in a better belt.
 
Inspired by your thread I carried a few today...
2 (SP101) in Thunderware Groin Holster-{Drives the women crazy)
1 (Sig P220) Strong Side
1 (Colt Officers) Cross Draw
1 (NAA Mini Mag) Front Pocket Right
1 (NAA Black Widow) Read Pocket
1 (ADC DA38) Front left pocket
1 (S&W 340 PD) Ankle Carry
two speed loaders
three bianch strips
inside the pocket holster Thad Rybker held and extra 5 rounds of .22mag
two extra semi-auto Magazines
Total # Rounds (Guns and Reloads) =79 rounds...Doc:D
 
I always carry my J-frame Bodyguard model 38 spl in a pocket holster. I find this, for me, the most comfortable way and I carry this gun every day while off duty. I sometime carry the speed strip in my left pocket but not always. I love the J-Frames and find them to be accurate for self defense. I am thinking of getting the .357 Bodyguard in all steel for IW carry. I love these small guns.;)
 
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Inspired by your thread I carried a few today...
2 (SP101) in Thunderware Groin Holster-{Drives the women crazy)
1 (Sig P220) Strong Side
1 (Colt Officers) Cross Draw
1 (NAA Mini Mag) Front Pocket Right
1 (NAA Black Widow) Read Pocket
1 (ADC DA38) Front left pocket
1 (S&W 340 PD) Ankle Carry
two speed loaders
three bianch strips
inside the pocket holster Thad Rybker held and extra 5 rounds of .22mag
two extra semi-auto Magazines
Total # Rounds (Guns and Reloads) =79 rounds...Doc

Oh...great idea on the dual SP101's in Thunderwear. Now I have to go buy a second SP101.

AS IF I NEEDED AN EXCUSE FOR A NEW GUN!!
 
Conclusion

The 30 day experiment has concluded. I have gone back to my evil Glock ways. I have a new appreciation for the old style steel and wood guns. This experiment was very good for me as an instructor, concerned citizen, and shooter. As an instructor, I am now very familiar with the techniques required to carry one or more revolvers. The problems surrounding revolver carry are now clear. For someone who frequently carries a gun, I now really appreciate my S&W Model 36 Airweight and I have some practice with pocket carry (something I never really considered useful). Finally, as a shooter, I've placed revolvers into the "self-defense" group of firearms and took them out of the "fun" category. Finally, I was able to build several useful devices to aid in carrying revolvers. The guns I used were: S&W 625 in 45 ACP, S&W Model 27 Registered Magnum in 357 Magnum, Ruger SP101 in 357 Magnum, and a S&W Model 36 Airweight in 38 Special.

This experiment was not about shooting or tactics. It was completely focused on finding ways to carry a revolver concealed. I am already proficient with revolver shooting. I have extensive training in tactics. In fact, I didn't fire a shot for the entire thirty days, though I did my dry fire, movement, and drawing practice drills. I did practice exclusively with revolvers for the entire thirty day period.

My primary concern with carrying a revolver was ammunition management. Carrying spare ammunition in an easily accessible way is somewhat difficult. The round shape of the moonclips and speedloaders make the items bulky and annoying. I thought it was essential that at least one full reload be available to me at all times. This reload I designated as "the emergency reload" and I expected to use it in the event of a fight. I categorized all other ammunition as "spare" ammunition to be rotated into the "emergency reload" position. I found that moonclips were best suited for this role. Moonclips are the revolver equivalent of the semi-automatic pistol magazine. They are easy to manipulate, and in a 45 ACP revolver, are easy to insert into the cylinder. I found that eight round moonclips are 357 Magnum can be problematic. The HKS Speed Loader is slow to access and tricky to load.

Movement adds a whole new dimension to reloading a revolver. Frankly, the choices are slow moonclips and slower "everything else." I can reload a semi-auto in two steps; reloading a revolver takes at least four. This is a real problem considering that, in a fight with multiple attackers, movement and tactics are my primary defensive assets. I don't wear armor and cannot carry a ballistic shield around all day. The main problem is that movement introduces variation in presentation of the rounds to the cylinder. I found it very easy to incorrectly align the rounds with the charge holes. This problem was exaggerated with the five shot revolvers.

Speed strips are anything but fast and their only redeeming value is convenience. They allow the user to carry six spare rounds in a flat package. Additionally, the shooter needs to adjust mentally from expecting a full reload to a two round reload. He or she also needs to know which way the cylinder turns during the firing sequence and rotate the cylinder in the opposite direction so the new rounds fall under the hammer. Add movement to the equation and this becomes a difficult task.

Carrying a revolver concealed is just as easy as carrying a semi-automatic pistol. My guns were carried behind the hip, in the appendix position, or in a pocket. I found there was no difference in carrying a revolver. All movements were the same. Drawing was the same. I could sit and avoid printing with a forward canted holster. The irregular shape of the J-Frame revolver makes it a great choice for pocket carry. 511 pants pockets are terrible for pocket carry because the opening is too small and the shape is wrong. Appendix carry still affords the fastest draw. However, the large shape of the revolver (especially N-Frames) can cause printing. I found that small adjustments in my wardrobe were required to accommodate the N-Frame revolvers for maximum concealability. However, this was not always required and a simple polo shirt was sufficient. I just had to make sure that the holster was positioned properly on the belt.

I now have a new appreciation for revolvers. I understand the attraction. There's something about their construction and function that is appealing. They are very pretty tools if the finish is done properly. I think a deeply blued Model 27 is perhaps one of the most beautiful handguns around. However, the K and L-Framed sized guns are probably a bit more practical for daily concealed carry than the N-Frame guns. I found that the J-Frames, while very concealable, are a bit light for shooting.

This experiment in concealed carry with revolvers was very useful in discovering the attraction of the system. I found there are several disadvantages that come with this type of firearm. Managing ammunition is the primary drawback. It can be mitigated somewhat by positioning one full reload on the belt and treating all other rounds as supplemental (for a longer fight). A backup gun offers the fastest reload, though moonclips are a viable option with practice. Carrying one or two revolvers is not unlike carrying semi-automatic handguns (except for possibly weight). In the end, if the user is proficient with the handgun and has at least one full reload available, he or she is adequately armed for most encounters.

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Just a simple question; why is everyone carrying their speed loaders on the strong side? Do you move the gun to your left hand when loading with a speed loader?
 
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