.30 Luger hanguns...

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whm1974 said:
How well did the simplfied .22 LR Lugers sell here in the US when they were still being made?
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There were two different .22 Lugers sold here back in the day, one by Stoeger and the other by Erma. They are very different designs, though both use a toggle-delayed blowback action and a Zamak frame. Of the two, the Erma is visually much closer to the original.

I have no firsthand experience with the Stoeger, but my dad has an Erma. Its is a quality made gun with good accuracy, but only fair reliability- adequate for a casual range plinker.

Interestingly, it is slotted for a shoulder stock, but I have no idea if a standard Luger stock will fit. Erma actually made a few rifle versions as well, which I would snatch up if I ever encountered one in the flesh.
 
I'm wondering if something like the Erma made Luger in .22LR and .380 ACP would sell well if the reliability was improved?
 
whm1974 said:
I'm wondering if something like the Erma made Luger in .22LR and .380 ACP would sell well if the reliability was improved?
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I believe the Ermas actually WERE available in .32 and .380 as well, though Ive never seen one. I think the reliability issue has to do with the fact that the toggle-action requires a fairly hot round like the CCI stinger to cycle fully, but the feed ramp didnt like any bullet profile except perfectly round, and many hot .22s are either hollow points or truncated cones.

Like I said, it was ok. Not as good as a Ruger Mark-whatever, but better than the average SIG Mosquito, lol.
 
whm1974 said:
I have to ask, but are Luger Pistols still being made?
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Kinda. The original manufacturers are long gone.
There have been other entities that have made them off and on.

Mitchell Arms made the American Eagle Luger P08 in the 1990's to about the early 2000's, as I recall. Pros and cons on those, you can look it up online about them.

More recently, Lugerman and some other specialized gunsmiths have been making some, but cost is out of this world unfortunately.

If you want to have a replica instead, Umarex Legends has a Luger P08 BB gun that is about the same weight and size, made with metal, that is a lot cheaper to get then the real ones.
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
I believe the Ermas actually WERE available in .32 and .380 as well, though Ive never seen one. I think the reliability issue has to do with the fact that the toggle-action requires a fairly hot round like the CCI stinger to cycle fully, but the feed ramp didnt like any bullet profile except perfectly round, and many hot .22s are either hollow points or truncated cones.

Like I said, it was ok. Not as good as a Ruger Mark-whatever, but better than the average SIG Mosquito, lol.
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Do the Ermas have any collectors value? I got one in a settlement of a $75 debt that turned out to have a broken firing pin; it might have been another $25 for a new one. Not reliable and only fired it once or twice.
 
zaitcev said:
Yes, Lugers are currently made, although obviously not by DWM anymore. But the prices are astronomical.
https://lugerman.com/luger-45/

Update: oops, posted too soon
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While a Luger was a pretty good gun in 1908 through WWI, by WWII there were better 9mm around, like the browning high power. I would have no reason to purchase a high price replica. But, I wish the greatest satisfaction to those that purchase one of course.
 
I used to have one of the Stoeger 22s, seemed accurate but unreliable. Had the Erma 32 ACP. The Erma 22 was full sized. The 32 was scaled down and of the three calibers, it most closely resembled the real Luger. Never did much shooting with it. Erma goes way back, prior to WWII they made a 22 conversion for the Luger.
Don't forget the Mauser re-intros from the 70s. I had one that turned out to be #19 from the pilot run of 50. At #51 they made a small change in the receiver ring profile. A collector in Europe bought it from me. You wouldn't believe the rigmarole getting it from here to Europe.
 
The Erma baby Luger's were Soo cute, but totalyt dismal reliBility wise I have seen countless broken ones since I had one in the 70 s for acouple years a d made a suppressor for before I found out they were illegal. It broke the Zamak something in a couple boxes of ammo but was pretty quiet. I heard Luger's are good to suppress .
 
I have an Erma as well, it will only feed the first 5 out of the magazine, then stovepipes the rest, very aggravating.
 
whm1974 said:
Well made... Very expensive...
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That reminded me that I have this cased Sig P210-6 set from 1967.

Its 9mm with the matching 30 Luger barrel plus the entire 22lr upper assembly. It includes a tool kit as well and the manual and a test target for each caliber.

Extremely rare set from back then. The full checkered factory grips were only included with these cases from what my researched as shown me, and likewise, are very rare. Worth big money today from a collectability standpoint and incredible build quality..


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I think the Browning Hi-Power was available in .30 Luger as was the Benelli B80 (part of the B76 series), and the Beretta Model 98 F (part of the Model 92 series).
 
Isn't 7.62×25mm Tokarev basically .30 Luger loaded a little hot? In that case, wouldn't guns chambered for that cartridge also be worth including in this discussion?
 
The Luger round has a 21mm case length. The 7.63 Mauser and the Soviet 7.62X25 have a case length of 25mm. And the latter two can achieve much higher ballistic performance for one simple reason....larger case capacity..... which means more powder. The Germans loaded the 7.63 Mauser to 1550 FPS with an 85 gr. bullet during WWII. The Russians, who copied the round and then claimed they invented it, (they do that a lot ) loaded their Tokarev ammo to around 1400 FPS. It got quite a bit more out of a PPSH 41 barrel.
 
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