I agree that the qualification is easy for anyone who can shoot their weapon, but still think that shooting a reliable and accurate full-sized gun is warranted. Besides, a .25 wouldn't meet the mininum caliber specified.
Tex
$300-$350 to purchase a 9mm,possible?
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I agree that the qualification is easy for anyone who can shoot their weapon, but still think that shooting a reliable and accurate full-sized gun is warranted. Besides, a .25 wouldn't meet the mininum caliber specified.
Tex
Anyone have any links to any reputable sites to order from that I can just have my ffl order from directly not like gunbroker. Ive called cdnn and their out of almost everything I asked about. I went looking today and found nothing even in the pawn shops.
Also I went looking through my cdnn catalog and forgot to ask about the used glock add that said prices to low to to print anyone know what their selling the G19 or G17 for.
At academy they had glocks and springfeild xds and nothing in between, also every shop ive been to around here have said bersa's are pretty scarce same with maks which I dont know if they order from the same supplier or what or they actually are.
Also I went looking through my cdnn catalog and forgot to ask about the used glock add that said prices to low to to print anyone know what their selling the G19 or G17 for.
Here is ones for the makarov:
http://64.82.96.51/pistols.htm
http://www.adamsguns.com/
http://www.czgrips.us/sale.htm
I don't know much about these sites, but these are places you can purchase them.
http://64.82.96.51/pistols.htm
http://www.adamsguns.com/
http://www.czgrips.us/sale.htm
I don't know much about these sites, but these are places you can purchase them.
Texfire is correct. If a person can't pass the Texas qualification test they shouldn't be carrying a gun. If you haven't seen the target you'll be using, take a look at one. The bullseye area is huge. Don't worry about it.
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Actually it was SnarlingIron who said if you can't qualify on the Texas CHL course then you don't need to be carrying, I was just agreeing with him that it isn't a difficult course of fire.
Of course no target is so close that you can't miss it if you try hard enough. For purpose of qualifying I suggest that you pick a semi-automatic that you are comfortable and accurate shooting with, which has at least ten round capability. Since the largest string of shots are ten, this will minimize the reloading necessary for the course of fire. A gun you are comfortable with will allow you to focus on following the instructions of the RO and shooting the course of fire as instructed, not on hitting the target or avoiding possible malfunctions.
There was a shooter who qualified in my class with a snub-nosed S&W, she qualified but had to work harder to do so, in addition to having to reload on the firing line.
Tex
Of course no target is so close that you can't miss it if you try hard enough. For purpose of qualifying I suggest that you pick a semi-automatic that you are comfortable and accurate shooting with, which has at least ten round capability. Since the largest string of shots are ten, this will minimize the reloading necessary for the course of fire. A gun you are comfortable with will allow you to focus on following the instructions of the RO and shooting the course of fire as instructed, not on hitting the target or avoiding possible malfunctions.
There was a shooter who qualified in my class with a snub-nosed S&W, she qualified but had to work harder to do so, in addition to having to reload on the firing line.
Tex
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Walther P1
Rearsenaled after use by the german police. Beautiful guns, the parkerizing is heavy and soaks up oil like a sponge.
Dan's has them.
http://www.dansammo.com/p38.asp
Gander Mountain has them, it's where I got mine. Mine came in at under 300. there.
Because they heavily parkerized the magazines you will have to work with them to make the magazine drop free. But it's an under the magazine catch so it's more difficult that a US style one.
Rearsenaled after use by the german police. Beautiful guns, the parkerizing is heavy and soaks up oil like a sponge.
Dan's has them.
http://www.dansammo.com/p38.asp
Gander Mountain has them, it's where I got mine. Mine came in at under 300. there.
Because they heavily parkerized the magazines you will have to work with them to make the magazine drop free. But it's an under the magazine catch so it's more difficult that a US style one.
Minotor,
Find a S&W major dealer. The price, locally on a new Sigma 9VE is $309 over the counter and $289 - $299 at a gun show last weekend here in FL. Just keep calling on a larger radius from your location until you find a large stocking dealer.
You might try Googling Gun dealers in TX and see what you get. Most of the large local dealers have at least a business card site. You may have to drive 150 miles, but, hey, that's Texas!
Geoff
Who spent 39 months there once at Ft. Hood, 1973-76.
Find a S&W major dealer. The price, locally on a new Sigma 9VE is $309 over the counter and $289 - $299 at a gun show last weekend here in FL. Just keep calling on a larger radius from your location until you find a large stocking dealer.
You might try Googling Gun dealers in TX and see what you get. Most of the large local dealers have at least a business card site. You may have to drive 150 miles, but, hey, that's Texas!
Geoff
Who spent 39 months there once at Ft. Hood, 1973-76.
Even though I have a P1, I wouldn't suggest it for the expressed purpose. It's capacity is 8+1, so you run into the reload situation on a 10 shot string. A fine gun, but not for this specific situation.
Tex
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There's no reloading required in the Texas qualification, not tac or speed reload that is. You simply shoot the stage, can use one magazine and loose ammo.
I've often told folks that I thought Ronnie Milsap could qualify.
When I took the TX CHL shooting test, I qualified with the instructor's Sig P-220, so ask if a weapon isn't already available for the test; if so, just come with a box of ammo. Later, you can buy the gun that you really want.
Otherwise, finding a 9mm for around $300 shouldn't be too hard at a TX gun show. There's a gun show at the Pasadena convention center today (if you live in the Houston area) where I saw the FEG Hi Power clone with wood grips selling for about $300. There's nothing wrong with the FEG, but I would save up for a nice CZ 75B.
Otherwise, finding a 9mm for around $300 shouldn't be too hard at a TX gun show. There's a gun show at the Pasadena convention center today (if you live in the Houston area) where I saw the FEG Hi Power clone with wood grips selling for about $300. There's nothing wrong with the FEG, but I would save up for a nice CZ 75B.
Wow. A blind man is one thing, but a dead blind man?
Do dead men need to worry about CCW?
Who's going to issue him a permit?
Who's going to arrest a dead man for carrying w/o a permit?
What are you going to sentence him to? Life imprisonment?
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
If you're willing to go the used route, ask at the ranges... there are some people that have too many guns, and getting a person a deal on thier first gun maybe be one of thier Karma interests.
Some of the People will admit, they have more guns than they know what to do with and have a few that for some reason they don't agree with, I sold a Ruger P-944 because I couldn't hit the target with it, it benched good, I just had problems shooting it, the guy that bought it from me could knock down X-rings for days with it.
I bought a used Mil-Spec LNIB off of a local Gentleman from this web site a month back, for $350 and I paid the transfer fee, total $380. I haven't had a single problem with it. There are good deals out there, it's usally "those that are cleaning out the safe"... watch for those words. Jump on good deals when they come around, I could sell that Mil-Spec for $500 in a heart beat.
Small "mom & pop" gun stores and pawn shops are sometimes good places to look as well. Try to shoot what ever used gun you get before you buy it, if it's a "too good to be true" and you can't shoot it plan to have it see the gun smith.
Some of the People will admit, they have more guns than they know what to do with and have a few that for some reason they don't agree with, I sold a Ruger P-944 because I couldn't hit the target with it, it benched good, I just had problems shooting it, the guy that bought it from me could knock down X-rings for days with it.
I bought a used Mil-Spec LNIB off of a local Gentleman from this web site a month back, for $350 and I paid the transfer fee, total $380. I haven't had a single problem with it. There are good deals out there, it's usally "those that are cleaning out the safe"... watch for those words. Jump on good deals when they come around, I could sell that Mil-Spec for $500 in a heart beat.
Small "mom & pop" gun stores and pawn shops are sometimes good places to look as well. Try to shoot what ever used gun you get before you buy it, if it's a "too good to be true" and you can't shoot it plan to have it see the gun smith.
Used guns offer good values, just be sure to have cash and be willing to wait for a great deal if you need to be frugal. I picked up a Browning MKII Hi power for $300 and a Taurus PT92 for $194 both 9mm and both worked flawlessly with all ammo I ran thru them. Keep an eye open and make it habit to stop in a gun stores, right place right time.
Taurus millenium pro 9mm, awesome pistol...they run around $350 new in box. Another option would be the kel-tec P-11, from what I've read they are reliable, can get one for $250 new in box. The P-11 is extremely concealable and it holds 10 rounds in the mag.
Bersa & Sigma=Good Guns....
When I qualified for my CHL I used a Bersa Thunder 380 purchased at Academy for just under $200.00. Go to www.bersatalk.com for info. Great little gun but requires a break in period. Since then I have bought a Sigma SW9VE that did not require a break in period. Never a single problem (over 1000 rounds) after I got used to the harder trigger. Bought it at Academy for $318.00. Go to www.smith&wessonforum.com for more info.
You can beat Academy's prices at a gun show though.
When I qualified for my CHL I used a Bersa Thunder 380 purchased at Academy for just under $200.00. Go to www.bersatalk.com for info. Great little gun but requires a break in period. Since then I have bought a Sigma SW9VE that did not require a break in period. Never a single problem (over 1000 rounds) after I got used to the harder trigger. Bought it at Academy for $318.00. Go to www.smith&wessonforum.com for more info.
You can beat Academy's prices at a gun show though.
If I was looking for a carry gun in 9mm and was limited to $300-350 I'd go with a Taurus PT111 Milennium Pro hands down. I own many handguns from a low end Charles Daly 1911, to several mid-level handguns (including a CZ and a Ruger) to two higher end SIGs- my Taurus PT140 Milennium Pro (the .40S&W version) can run with all of them being the equal to most, better than some, and not that far from the best. It has been 100% reliable through 750 rounds (most of them various JHPs- WWB, Magtech, Speer Gold Dot, Remington), it is accurate (though some people take some time to get used to it and get the accuracy), it has a very smooth DA revolver-like DAO trigger, it seems very well made and it was inexpensive. Mine was $350 out the door (incl. taxes and fee for the background check), some people report them for $290-300 in their areas.
If you aren't interested in the Milennium Pros, there are other options in your range. If you want a .380 my Bersa has been reliable and they can be had for just over $200 in some areas still (around here they start around $250 now). The Ruger P95 is a bit big for carry but is a decent gun and isn't much over $350. The S&W SW9VE (formerly the SIGMA) is now a pretty good gun, but stay away from used (they used to be pretty bad and I don't know how to tell if the gun is from before or after the improvements). Taurus has a few good autos (PT 911, PT 92) that depending upon prices in your area might work for you (around here they run about $100 over your limit) and the PT 911 isn't a bad size for carry. Still, I'd probably go with the Taurus Milennium Pro.
If you aren't interested in the Milennium Pros, there are other options in your range. If you want a .380 my Bersa has been reliable and they can be had for just over $200 in some areas still (around here they start around $250 now). The Ruger P95 is a bit big for carry but is a decent gun and isn't much over $350. The S&W SW9VE (formerly the SIGMA) is now a pretty good gun, but stay away from used (they used to be pretty bad and I don't know how to tell if the gun is from before or after the improvements). Taurus has a few good autos (PT 911, PT 92) that depending upon prices in your area might work for you (around here they run about $100 over your limit) and the PT 911 isn't a bad size for carry. Still, I'd probably go with the Taurus Milennium Pro.
A barely used CZ 75B or BD would easily fit the bill for $300.
I got mine for about that much with a ton of extras (multiple extra hi-caps, holster, etc.) barely used. It's still in like-new condition b/c I make it shine after every trip to the range. It's ridiculously accurate and reliable, and it's incredibly smoothe to shoot. No one who's fired mine has said anything but glowing remarks about it afterward.
I got mine for about that much with a ton of extras (multiple extra hi-caps, holster, etc.) barely used. It's still in like-new condition b/c I make it shine after every trip to the range. It's ridiculously accurate and reliable, and it's incredibly smoothe to shoot. No one who's fired mine has said anything but glowing remarks about it afterward.
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