3006 or 7mm

[txcookie]

30.06

Its the King of Cartridges and can handle anything thrown at it. You can feed it at any location that sells ammo and its cheap ammo. There is nothing that can compete with its FACTORY selection of ammo. Its a fast cartridge and hits hard at a distance. My Fav rifles are Bolt and My brands are Ruger and Remington. Overseas has some great stuff and if your open to a single shot the TC Encore is probably the best feeling rifle I have ever owned. My 30.06 is a TC encore I hae used my fathers remington mountain rifle in 30.06.

the 30.06 is never a bad choice!

neither is the 7mm rem but it kicks a bit harder and is alot harder and more pricy to feed!!!!

 

[MCgunner]

neither is the 7mm rem but it kicks a bit harder and is alot harder and more pricy to feed!!!!

How is it harder to feed? It's consistently one of the top five rounds in popularity and anywhere that sells ammo will have 7 mag in my experience. Of course, I haven't fired a factory load in decades, so that's rather moot for ME.

Everything you guys are saying about the 06 applies to the 7 mag....except you get more range and energy, a little more, anyway, and a bullet selection with better sectional densities and ballistic coefficients. I don't think perceived recoil is any worse in an equal, decent FITTING gun, wither. If you can't shoot a 7 mag, time to tear up you man card. Get a girl's gun, say a .22-250.

 

[txcookie]

Mcgunner

I am talking factory! Growing up all i ever saw was 270, 30.06, 308, 30.30,243 and 7mm on the shelves. Not much has changed but it is getting more common to have to go to multiple stores to find the 7mm. Me thinks that the 30 mags can be blamed

 

[Texaszach]

There's just something about having an '06

 

[Sav .250]

Both cal`s will get-er done. But the "06" has a greater range of bullets weights.
Plus you can find "06" shells in any place in this country.

 

[ZeroJunk]

I never quite understood the ammo availability deal.

A hunter forgetting his ammo or running out should be a little down past forgetting your shoes on the list.

 

[Kachok]

There's just something about having an '06

+1
I never understood until I owned one.
I owned three 7mm Rem Mags and never loved any of them as much as my 30-06.

 

[BigG]

What about a 308 Winchester? That seems to be a pretty good round to me. Shoots about as well as a 30-06 and available widely.

 

[Bio-Chem]

,308 isn't really that widely available during a scare. I've always found 30-06 on the shelf. .223 and .308.....not so much. If you reload then it doesn't matter much, but if you need to buy off the shelf i'd take a 30-06 thank you very much

 

[dprice3844444]

if you have other rifles in 30 cal and can use the same heads,logistically speaking,3006 would be the best choice if your on a budget.for myself,i have several 3006 millsurp, a 300 win mag knight kp1,and several 308 rifles.powder and heads would basically be the same.

 

[MCgunner]

I am talking factory! Growing up all i ever saw was 270, 30.06, 308, 30.30,243 and 7mm on the shelves. Not much has changed but it is getting more common to have to go to multiple stores to find the 7mm. Me thinks that the 30 mags can be blamed

Actually, I've found 7 mag everywhere around our local area. Now, what I CANNOT find is .22LR. I bought a box of 50 Eley the other day for $19.95. .22LR is the hardest ammo to find in the entire continental US. So, I'm thinking about selling all my .22s because of ammo availability. I mean, you cannot buy the stuff. It's an old cartridge, maybe it's gone extinct? ......NOT!

Ammo availability is just not something I pay any attention to or care about, especially in center fires since I don't buy ammo for my center fires, I make it. If I get dementia so bad I forget my ammo on a trip, I guess I really don't need to be toting a firearm at all. I should sell 'em all. I might hurt myself.

Originally Posted by Texaszach View Post

There's just something about having an '06

That's what they say about Harleys. I've been riding motorcycles since 1966 and I've never owned, nor will I, a Harley...slow, antiquated POSs. Maybe the .30-06 is like the HD, if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand? Well, if I don't understand, why would I care?

There is no magic in the .30-06. There is nothing it can do that the 7 can't do better. And, there are smaller cartridges that have been around as long or longer that can do anything the 06 can do for the recoil shy, like 7x57 and 6.5x55 Swede. I won't even mention .280 or the .270. Oh, wait, I just did.

There, did I shake some feathers? I ain't serious. I don't have anything against the 06, just don't see it as magic or the end all of cartridges. I could say the same about HDs.

 

[matrem]

Ammo for both is currently readily available for either in my neck o the woods.

Wow MC,
I've never owned an HD either, but the next time I climb on my Kawasaki with a 7 mag slung over my shoulder, I'm still gonna believe that an ought six slung on a Harley would accomplish the exact same thing.

 

[DM~]

There is no magic in the .30-06. There is nothing it can do that the 7 can't do better. And, there are smaller cartridges that have been around as long or longer that can do anything the 06 can do for the recoil shy, like 7x57 and 6.5x55 Swede. I won't even mention .280 or the .270. Oh, wait, I just did.

Thing is, you just had to name more than one cartridge to do what the 30-06 does on it's own...

That's the point, it does EVERYTHING pretty well, and "properly loaded" it is enough cartridge for anything that walks in NA, INCLUDING brown bears.

It's not magic, it's just the one cartridge that was designed right, to do everything pretty well in the first place... It's the BEST all "around around" big game hunting cartridge ever designed for NA...

DM

 

[MCgunner]

I'm still gonna believe that an ought six slung on a Harley would accomplish the exact same thing.

Neither will get there as fast.

Did you know that 9 out of ten Harleys sold in the last 30 years are still on the road?

The other 10 percent made it home.

.357 magnum and a KLR, slower than a Harley/.30-06. I just like to yank a chain now and then. Ya see, I was riding motorcycles when one percenters riding HDs didn't need a medical or law degree. But, "Wild Hogs" was a good movie .....



Now, I was alive when the 7 mag was introduced. The .30-06 predates my ol' man. It has retained wild popularity, I'll give ya that. All you need do is poll this board to prove it.

 

[KDS]

30-06 Tikka T3 Hunter. Have it, love it!

 

[matrem]

Thing is, you just had to name more than one cartridge to do what the 30-06 does on it's own...

Gotta jump in here again... Don't wanna appear to be taking sides..

He didn't "have" to mention those others..

Have shot and liked both for years..

7 mag is everything the ought six is...

 

[MCgunner]

Thing is, you just had to name more than one cartridge to do what the 30-06 does on it's own...

That's the point, it does EVERYTHING pretty well, and "properly loaded" it is enough cartridge for anything that walks in NA, INCLUDING brown bears.

It's not magic, it's just the one cartridge that was designed right, to do everything pretty well in the first place... It's the BEST all "around around" big game hunting cartridge ever designed for NA...

Actually, I named several cartridges any ONE of which will do EVERYTHING the 06 will do and just as well with less recoil and more efficiently.

If the 8x57 Mauser had been adopted by the US Military in 1906, would the 8x57 then be the greatest cartridge ever created? It does everything the 06 does and with a slightly bigger bullet. If it were as popular as .30 cal is in the US, there'd be more bullet selection in .323 than there is in .308 now.

I could expand that list, but I won't. I think the "best deer cartridge" thing is a little worn. I've been hearing it for all of my adult life and all my pre-adult hunting life. Was a great way to pass the time with hunting friends in high school.

Mama used to say, more'n one way to skin a cat....

 

[DM~]

Gotta jump in here again... Don't wanna appear to be taking sides..

He didn't "have" to mention those others..

Have shot and liked both for years..

7 mag is everything the ought six is...

Actually, it's MORE...

More muzzle blast.

More recoil.

More ammo cost.

Needs a longer bbl. to perform and on and on...

Look, i know what a 7 RM is like, i hunted with one for quite a while. Have you ever seen what a 175NP out of it does when it hits a brown bear?? I have and i've seen it used on moose, dall sheep and many other animals too...

DM

 

[DM~]

Actually, I named several cartridges any ONE of which will do EVERYTHING the 06 will do and just as well with less recoil and more efficiently.

If the 8x57 Mauser had been adopted by the US Military in 1906, would the 8x57 then be the greatest cartridge ever created? It does everything the 06 does and with a slightly bigger bullet. If it were as popular as .30 cal is in the US, there'd be more bullet selection in .323 than there is in .308 now.

I could expand that list, but I won't. I think the "best deer cartridge" thing is a little worn. I've been hearing it for all of my adult life and all my pre-adult hunting life. Was a great way to pass the time with hunting friends in high school.

Mama used to say, more'n one way to skin a cat....

Who said this is about deer??? The OP mentioned more than deer...

I disagree that your named cartridges will do what a 30-06 will do...

As for the 8x57, i've been shooting an 8x57 for more than 25 years, shot a LOT of big game with it loaded to european standards, and i'm here to tell you it's NOT up to the 30-06 on the biggest big game. Yes, like the 30-06 it's more than needed for whitetails, but when push comes to shove, the 30-06 out performs it on big game.

This i know from personal experience, NOT from reading it in some book!

Have you ever seen what a 200NP out of an 30-06 will do to a brown bear?? I have...

DM

 

[MCgunner]

Who said this is about deer??? The OP mentioned more than deer...

It's the old "my gun's better than your gun" argument, juvenile argument, be it deer or friggin' elephants that have fallen to the grand old 7x57 Mauser AKA .275 Rigby.

I disagree that your named cartridges will do what a 30-06 will do...

As for the 8x57, i've been shooting an 8x57 for more than 25 years, shot a LOT of big game with it loaded to european standards, and i'm here to tell you it's NOT up to the 30-06 on the biggest big game. Yes, like the 30-06 it's more than needed for whitetails, but when push comes to shove, the 30-06 out performs it on big game.

See statement concerning the .275 Rigby.

The 8mm doesn't have the selection of bullets that the .30-06 does, but if it'd been adopted by the military instead, it would. The military has set the .308 as the standard bore diameter for American rifles, it seems. Nothing magical about that number, however. .284 and .264 tend to have better ballistic coefficients and better sectional densities and, thus, will perform better all else being equal. Now, 7mm in question, the Remington Magnum, all else is superior.

 

[matrem]

Have you ever seen what a 175NP out of it does when it hits a brown bear??

No. I have not. But I envy you if you have.

Actually, it's MORE...

More muzzle blast.

More recoil.

More ammo cost.

Needs a longer bbl. to perform and on and on...

As much as I envy your brown bear experiences, I feel fortunate to have thirty five years of handloading knowledge and skills that most folks don't get to experience.

By the way.. What does a .284 175 Partition do to a brown bear?

 

[Liberty1776]

ok. I have to throw a wrench in here. stock design and gun weight have far more to do with perceived recoil than the power difference between the two. and some folks feel no difference (me) I enjoy plinking with my W'by Vanguard 7 mm Rem Mag...

 

[DM~]

It's the old "my gun's better than your gun" argument, juvenile argument, be it deer or friggin' elephants that have fallen to the grand old 7x57 Mauser AKA .275 Rigby.



See statement concerning the .275 Rigby.

The 8mm doesn't have the selection of bullets that the .30-06 does, but if it'd been adopted by the military instead, it would. The military has set the .308 as the standard bore diameter for American rifles, it seems. Nothing magical about that number, however. .284 and .264 tend to have better ballistic coefficients and better sectional densities and, thus, will perform better all else being equal. Now, 7mm in question, the Remington Magnum, all else is superior.

I fail to see the argument about the 275, as Bell was a poacher that used armour pierceing ammo at a different time when you could walk right up to big game. NOT even close to this comparison...

BTW, i've shot a LOT of big game with the 7x57 too, AND i've hunted with the 264 Win. mag. and even shot a brown bear with it...

I can see you have not done much big bear/moose hunting, or you wouldn't be trying to compare the cartridges you do, in the way you do, to the 06...

MY personal experience has shown me the difference in them in the hunting fields... I'm thinking if you had more experience with the bigger big game, you would see the difference too.

OK, i'm done here...

DM

 

[DM~]

No. I have not. But I envy you if you have.



As much as I envy your brown bear experiences, I feel fortunate to have thirty five years of handloading knowledge and skills that most folks don't get to experience.

By the way.. What does a .284 175 Partition do to a brown bear?

I started handloading in the 60's, had an ammo mfg. license through the 70's and 80's... I also designed/swaged and sold bonded core bullets...

Anyway, to answer your question, if you keep the ranges where they SHOULD be, it does a VERY good job, even on big browns... It has no problem breaking both shoulders, breaking them down on the spot. You can always walk up and give them a finisher...

A 30-06 loaded with 200NP's will do the same...

DM

 

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