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Kachok
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I would avoid the 32, the ballistics are very poor, the smallest I would consider for protection is the 380 which is about two steps up in power/caliber/mass/momentum. Kal-Tech offers a super small and light 380. To me the 25, 32, and 22 mag are all in the same class, frankly you either rely on hitting the brain/spine, or scaring them away by the fact that you are shooting at them. I saw a guy on a cop show the other day that was shot 15 times with a 25ACP at point blank range and lived to testify aginst the guy who shot him. Not crippled or anything. HPs on such low energy rounds are pointless since they just reduce the penatration even further and likely won't even reach the vitals, much like the 115gr silvertips that gave the 9mm such a bad rap.
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My P32 is not only surprisingly accurate at my range's 10 yard minimum distance, but pleasant to shoot and 100% reliable. I stick with Fiocchi 73gr FMJ and it eats it up. I've got 1,000 rounds through this little pistol and it just keeps going. It's in my pocket quite a bit.
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Typical internet bullet statement. I personally don't want to be penetrated to any depth. Never seen anyone post a video trying this on themselves to prove their point. This may not meet the "FBI's ideal round" for penetration, but 8 inchs would hit just about everything in me.
You can always find bigger and better ~ but how much is really enough??? You could build your house out of steel, it would be stronger than wood. But, how many people do that?
The .32 will do the job. Although it is not my first choice of calibers, I find myself carrying a .32 quite a bit when concealment is a primary concern.
1. Don't count on one shot stops ~ then again this is not guaranteed with any caliber.
2. Shot placement is critical.
Kachok
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The FBIs 14" penatration standard was taking into account the numerous angles you might strike your target at. So having adaquate penatration is important. The dreded 115gr silvertips that I mentioned were the culprit in the 1986 Miami shootout and they only penatrate 8" in ballistics gel. FBI ballistics lab says 12" is the minimum you would want and 18" is the maximum I trust their oppinion over anyone else (when it comes to killing anyway)
Typical internet horse manure.
Nobody wants to be shot by a BB gun either, doesn't mean it is a reasonable choice for self defense. Saying that nody wants to be shot with it means it is a good defensive seletion is beyond silly, bordering on the outright ludicrous.
And, of course, we hope that your carry gun/round won't be used on you...
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Golden Loki's tests with FMJ say the 8" isn't true. All seem to do at least 13" of penetration - when fired from the diminutive P-32 as well. That seems to be plenty of penetration...
Onward Allusion
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Similar data from Brassfetcher.com as well. Just stick to FMJ when using .32ACP.
Kachok
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Not for sure, they did not say, but they do make a 15 rd mag for the P-25.
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Why the P-32 over a similar weight .380
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I'd rather have a soft shooting and accurate pocket mouse with a quicker reset than a .380
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At my house? ....
Several companies have made 15-round magazines for .25acp pistols over the years. Heck, National even made a 15-rounder for the Beretta 950.
I have a Raven MP25 with a 15-round magazine and I fitted another 'Raven' 15-rounder to a Sundance A-25. Nothing quite like an 'assault 25'
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You can buy current Promag Raven 15-rounders at ammoclip. With minor fitting, these work in Ravens, Sundance, and Sterlings.
www.ammoclip.com/R/raven_arms.htm
BTW: The Italian Lercker .25acp machine pistol had a 20-round magazine.
As for .32acp? I carry a Kel-Tec P32 more than anything else these days. Yes, I have the P3AT and a ton of other larger carry guns, I simply prefer the P32 most days. I also don't live in a bunker.
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That is freakin' hilarious! I think I'm going to get one just to see if they can fit into my FIE Titan that's been collecting dust for the last 20 years! 15+1 rounds of 25ACP. Who would have thunk?!
That is freakin' hilarious! I think I'm going to get one just to see if they can fit into my FIE Titan that's been collecting dust for the last 20 years! 15+1 rounds of 25ACP. Who would have thunk?!
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Do it in a humane way - with a .32 ACP
The .32 ACP is one of the most common calibers used in veterinary "humane killers". If you have to kill someone - do it in a humane way - with a .32 ACP - the jury will agree with you.
Not everyone shares America's opinion about the .32 cal.
In Europe, where the round is commonly known as the 7.65 mm Browning, the .32 ACP has always been more widely accepted than it has in America, having a long history of use by civilians as well as military and police agencies.
This caliber cartridge was used in the assassination of archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip, and the pistol, a Browning M1910, is on display in the Army Museum of Vienna. Adolf Hitler reportedly committed suicide with an engraved .32 ACP Walther PPK.
I predict that the .32 ACP will become popular again.
The .32 ACP is one of the most common calibers used in veterinary "humane killers". If you have to kill someone - do it in a humane way - with a .32 ACP - the jury will agree with you.
Not everyone shares America's opinion about the .32 cal.
In Europe, where the round is commonly known as the 7.65 mm Browning, the .32 ACP has always been more widely accepted than it has in America, having a long history of use by civilians as well as military and police agencies.
This caliber cartridge was used in the assassination of archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip, and the pistol, a Browning M1910, is on display in the Army Museum of Vienna. Adolf Hitler reportedly committed suicide with an engraved .32 ACP Walther PPK.
I predict that the .32 ACP will become popular again.
lol what?
Do you know why? Because most people are prohibited from possessing guns in "military calibers". They are legally bound to choose small, weak, ineffective calibers.
So what? Please tell me that you are not ignorant enough to believe that a round capable of a close range headshot assassination is automatically a good self defense choice.
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"Is the keltec P32 any good?"
I have been carrying one for several years now. Never an issue. I added a Pachmayr grip glove and ran 100 rounds through it just this morning. Worked well.
I have been carrying one for several years now. Never an issue. I added a Pachmayr grip glove and ran 100 rounds through it just this morning. Worked well.
Kachok
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In Europe you don't have to worry about being shot back at LOL. I lived there for years, they don't share the concept of the second amendment. If you are the only one in the fight with a gun then a 22LR gives you a huge advantage, but if you are also beign shot at, having the mass/momentum/energy/cross section of a .40 or a 45 can save your life with no stretch of the imagination. .38s were replaced in LE a long time ago, not because they would not drop someone, but because they would not drop someone before they could shoot you back, the 32 is inferior to the 38 Special in every messure of ballistic performance, so what does that tell you?
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Really?
Warp says, "Do you know why? Because most people are prohibited from possessing guns in "military calibers". They are legally bound to choose small, weak, ineffective calibers".
I always wondered why Adolf Hitler killed himself with a .32 caliber, probably because the authorities told him he was not allowed to have a 9 mm.
Warp says, "Do you know why? Because most people are prohibited from possessing guns in "military calibers". They are legally bound to choose small, weak, ineffective calibers".
I always wondered why Adolf Hitler killed himself with a .32 caliber, probably because the authorities told him he was not allowed to have a 9 mm.
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More ridiculous errornet bologna all around.
When real numbers from equivalent platforms are used, you see that 32acp and 380 are very close in both muzzle energy, as well as energy density (ft-lbs per surface area), with the 380 having only a slight edge. THIS is why they penetrate similarly given similar bullets.
Larger bullets are always preferable, but the types of pocket guns these rounds are chambered for are invaluable. It is not possible to carry a 45 or 10mm at all times, unless you change your lifestyle to fit the gun - many of us see life differently; we want our guns to fit US, and our lives. Guns are intended to be tools - when you make changes to accommodate your gun, then YOU become the tool.
I will continue carrying my P-32 95% of the time, and feel good about it. Do I strap on a 40, 45, or even 44 mag when the situation is appropriate? You bet - but those times are few and far between.
When real numbers from equivalent platforms are used, you see that 32acp and 380 are very close in both muzzle energy, as well as energy density (ft-lbs per surface area), with the 380 having only a slight edge. THIS is why they penetrate similarly given similar bullets.
Larger bullets are always preferable, but the types of pocket guns these rounds are chambered for are invaluable. It is not possible to carry a 45 or 10mm at all times, unless you change your lifestyle to fit the gun - many of us see life differently; we want our guns to fit US, and our lives. Guns are intended to be tools - when you make changes to accommodate your gun, then YOU become the tool.
I will continue carrying my P-32 95% of the time, and feel good about it. Do I strap on a 40, 45, or even 44 mag when the situation is appropriate? You bet - but those times are few and far between.
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My little Beretta 1934 .32 auto is a fun gun to shoot. Fiocchi 73 gr. FMJ's in the mag, have had it smoothed up on the frame and the slide, works as good as new. No, I wouldn't care to see if 8" of penetration is all it can do ! I carry it CCW most times, now that its getting cooler, I'll carry the SP 101.
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