32 vs 380 Kel-tec

Upgrade to the 380 and keep the 32

  • YES

    Votes: 88 73.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 32 26.7%

  • Total voters
    120
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The 32 acp FMJ is the only rnd 71 gr or 73 gr. that equals in energy its hollopint counter parts of the same caliber, Most of all the amount of energy that is present in these minute rnd are not much of a diference to even go into details, Unless you apply that principal to Lets say 9mm or more.:cool:
 
The 32 acp FMJ is the only rnd 71 gr or 73 gr. that equals in energy its hollopint counter parts of the same caliber, Most of all the amount of energy that is present in these minute rnd are not much of a diference to even go into details, Unless you apply that principal to Lets say 9mm or more.

Means nothing, because It has been established that energy dump in hand gun calibers is irrelevant in stopping ability.
 
Thirdly CorBon is an american brand. Evidentally they arent "hype". Personally i believe the only reason to use FMJ is for reliability reason i.e your gun wont feed anything else. The idea is to dump as much energy into the target while making the most damage. FMJ doesnt do that.

Jeez, we're getting a bit off topic with the old penetration vs expansion thing again. Normally, I agree with the hollow point and energy transfer thing in much bigger calibers, but you're only working with 200 ft lbs here. There's just not enough energy to dump and expansion can (seen it in jello tests) dramatically affect penetration. Some loads I've seen wouldn't penetrate 6" and the bullet that makes a shallow wound ain't doin' much, especially with 200 ft lbs. We ain't talkin' magnum revolvers here and there's not enough bullet weight to have enough SD and momentum to allow an expanded bullet to have adequate penetration. It's a trade off. Therefore, on .380, I stand firmly in the penetration camp, non-hollow points. However, the reason I wanna start loading my SWCs is that the flat point will do more tissue damage than a FMJ, cut a clean hole without pushing as much tissue aside undamaged. FMJ, frankly, SUX as a defensive load. That's why the Geneva convention mandates it. Those WWB flat point "range" loads might be a good choice for the flat point, but they don't feed 100 percent in my Grendel. The flat on those hangs on the feed ramp once in a while and I have to tap the back of the slide to get it into battery. My SWC handloads are 100 percent slick in the gun, longer OAL is why.

The .38 special, I use hollow points and it doesn't have a lot more energy, up near 300 ft lbs out of a 2" barrel. Well, okay, 33 percent more, but still well short of the 5-600 ft lbs of a .357 out of a service length tube. But, I shoot a 158 grain bullet and it DOES penetrate even with expansion. While some will argue that energy transfer is still moot, and maybe so at these levels, no one can argue either the effectiveness of the round on the street or that an expanded bullet does more damage than an un-expanded one if you get adequate penetration with it. The .38, in all statistics I've seen and whether you believe the stats or not, out performs the .380 significantly. The .380's best loads are barely adequate and the .32, frankly, is a joke, down near .22LR and .25 auto, why I don't much care for .32.

This is why I prefer something larger than .380 to trust my life to. Anything .38 special and up and I have confidence that if well placed, it can do the job. The .380 doesn't give me the warm fuzzies, but sometimes, due to the size of the gun, it's all you can carry. But, it's just as easy to tote the .380 as the .32 mouser, so between the two, I go .380 every time. I really don't care if it recoils a little more. If I can carry it, I often carry a K frame .357 magnum with 125 grain JHPs at max load. The .380 is a girl's caliber, frankly, by comparison. :rolleyes: (sorry girls, not intended to be sexist, just an expression:D ) If you wanna get serious about self defense from a pocket, consider the 9mm +P from a pocket size platform like the Kel Tec or the little Kahrs. Now, we're up in the 400 ft lbs range with good +P loads. Now, we're starting to get serious.:D And, the little pocket nines are about the most powerful guns on the market that can fit a pocket, admittedly a large pocket, but I do it every day. I dress around the gun so I can have that extra power and effectiveness.

Yeah, I know, software is more important than hardware, but why not have both????

Means nothing, because It has been established that energy dump in hand gun calibers is irrelevant in stopping ability.

No one has "established" anything, it's just an opinion and we all know opinions are like, well, they're opinions. In the larger calibers, I think it DOES mean something. That's my opinion, but I concede that in a .380 or a .32, it's moot. There's just hardly any energy to dump. I base my opinions on hunting kills with major caliber handguns and in the writings of physicists and statisticians, not medical doctors and coroners or gun writers who think the .45ACP should be the only caliber available and the 1911 the only gun. JMHO though and I admit it. Why can't THEY admit it?
 
I have a 32 ACP Kel-Tec and LOVE this little gun. I noticed that the 380K.T. is the same size ect.... Should I upgrade to the 380 and is it woth it?????

If you love your 32 I would not get rid of it. If you want a second then get the 380.

I love mine 32. I would not get rid of mine to upgrade. My 32 shoots great, is easy to shoot with very fast follow ups. It just does not shoot like a mouse gun.

Is the 32 better than the 380 on vise verse????? I've heard that the 380 is snappier than the 32, is this true?????

t is really a matter of personal preference, both the 32 and 380 are probably inadequate defense cartridges, however I do not want to be shot with either. The 380 is the superior cartridge some will equate it to the 38 Special's better loadings, but the 32 in the Kel-tec is more controllable and has a larger capacity.

The 380 is defiantly more snappy than the 32 is, and to my ears my more loud (that is just perception, I have not measured it).

If you can get a second gun, if you cannot and you love your 32 I see no reason to change.
 
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My kel tec P32 - P3AT all reliable with all tipe of ammo I have used, Cor Bons, Gold Dot, Winchesters, Remingtons, Eagles, Umce, Hydro shock, Golden sabers and others DO I NEED to say more:) If you love it You should not trade it but add to youre tool box A P3AT....:cool:
 
I got the .32 before the .380 was introduced, then got the .380 when it became available because, well it's more power and it's my life. Best bet is get a Rohrbaugh 9mm because, well it's your life. FWIW, I consider the .380 a bit more reliable than the .32 since the .32 is semi-rimmed.
 
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If anyone has a direct email so I can send them some photos I have of 32 acp fiocchis so they can post them, I am a little computer challenged have not been able to post them my self.
 
40jjb: If anyone has a direct email so I can send them some photos I have of 32 acp fiocchis so they can post them, I am a little computer challenged have not been able to post them my self.

What kind of pictures?

Want to see pictures of 32 cal bullets?
Go here for pictures and ballistics.
 
pictures

I took a aluminum plate, 300 page phone book, 5 gal. drum full pf water, news paper behind, Then took 32 acp Fiocchis 73 gr. FMJ, It penetrated all ITEMS mentioned and I have pictures but do not now how to post them! the phone book got mangled on the exit side! prity interesting.
 
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KOKAPELLI would you like to give that info needed, Then you can post it?
 
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32 acp performance pictures

In order to have these picture on site, i need some ones e mail adress to send them to that person so they can post them, I do not now how to past and send them to this site.
 
32 acp Fiocchi

Picture #1 Is media use to shoot the 32 acp 73 gr. Fiocchi FMJ at a distance of approx. 10 feet, A Aluminum plate, a 300 page phone book, a 5 gallon drum and some Sunday news paper in the back. The fiocchis when't through all the medias used, On picture #2 is the 300 page phone book left to right- 32 acp 73gr has entred from the left, exiting through the right you can observerve how the news paper was pushed out, the drum was full of water and it also whent side to side. Little test like this for fun by far defenetly not scientific are very interesting and ashooring that this minute round will function in a time of need. Thank you Kokapelli for youre help!
 
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I have both the .32 and .380. I shoot the .380 more because of the cost of ammo. Both provide me with comfort when I carry either. I prefer the .380 because it is a larger caliber and the ammo is cheaper. Sometimes bigger is better. :cool:
 
Isn't it amazing how as Americans we are always into the "if big is good, bigger is better" train of thought? Or, if a single four-barrell is good, then dual quads must be "real good"....

It seems pretty simple to me.. Carry the largest caliber firearm with the most rounds in it (of the best sd ammo available) and hope you never have to use it to defend yourself.

Now having said that.

I don't want to be shot with any round of any caliber.

I have had a P32 for several years, and it has always been 100% reliable, and from self defense range it is quite accurate. I only carry it when circumstances dictate I can't carry anything larger. It seems however that here in S. Ga. in the summer it's hard to cc anything any larger.

I thought about getting a P3AT (but keeping my P32), but for such a long time they were having problems with them.. I know you can go over to www.KTOG.com/or www.Keltecrange.com and get all sorts of "fluff 'n buff" advice, but I'm an old fart and I want MY firearm to work right out of the box. I don't have "gunsmithing skills", and don't care to learn any. I hear the 2nd gen P3AT's are pretty much trouble free, so I'll take another look at one shortly.

In the meantime, I'll just keep a'packin' my P32, or my NAA Guardian in my rear pocket in a DeSantis Trickster holster.

A favorite Uncle of mine (long deceased) was a moonshiner back in the late 1930's and '40's and in later years when he was sharing some of his experiences with me he said he always carried a "damn good" 32 S&W (revolver) for personal protection. I'm sure 1911's and such were available, but he apparently felt well armed with the puny 32rd..

So if it was good enough for old Uncle Eddie, I don't feel too underarmed, and a 7 rds of 32 CorBons are light years better than harsh words...:D

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

P.S. Now if you want to go really "underarmed" take a S&W Escort along with you.
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