.338 Whisper loads

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the Whisper line is a wildcat line invented by JD Jones for suppressed guns. The idea is to use a very heavy bullet at a low velocity to get roughly equivalent power compared to a lighter bullet at higher velocity. My shooting buddy, who loves "funny guns" has a .338 built on a Thompson/Center Encore carbine with a can. He doesn't handload, so I make his ammo.

.338 Whisper is made by necking up 7mm Benchrest brass to .338 and fireforming. The cartridge looks absolutely ridiculous, with a short fat case and a loooong bullet. I'd say 1/2 of the total cartridge length is bullet. We use CCI small rifle benchrest primers. I ream the flash hole and uniform the primer pockets, but I don't have a .338 pilot for my neck turning tool. Loading is done with Hornady Custom New Dimension full-length dies.

We try to make subsonic loads. In view of the recent thread about bullet behavior close to the speed of sound, we may have to make some changes to get the best accuracy.

H4227 13.8 gr, Sierra 300 gr BTHP: average velocity 1040 fps standard deviation 12.64

H4226, 13.6 grains, Sierra 300 gr BTHP: Average velocity 1035 fps, standard deviation 16.37

Same load with 13.4 grains H4227 average velocity 982.4 fps, standard deviation 8.42

Down to 13.2 gr 4227, average velocity ROSE to 996.2 fps with SD 9.43

Go up to 14.8 gr H4227 and average velocity is 1125 fps with SD 12.28 and groups shrink to 1.5"

These loads all shoot into 2" or less at 100 yd. The rifle sounds like a staple gun. The shooter can hear the report and then the bullet impact. 50 yards downrange there is a gap int the side berms; if you stand there well back from the berm you can hear a long low buzz as the bullet passes by. Shooting it is a hoot. You hear the little twanging report and expect a little tapping recoil like an air rifle, but you instead get a soild shove.

BTHP bullets of course won't expand. So my buddy got some A-Square 250 grain "Lion Loads", a round-nosed soft point meant to expand readily at low velocities on thin-skinned but dangerous game. Using 4227, 11.8 grains, these bullets keyhole at 50 yards. The barrel is a 1:8 twist, but the bullet isn't going very fast and it has a very long bearing surface; it's almost cylindrical. Didn't get to chrono this load, but I'll bet it's going a lot slower than we think, and so isn't spinning fast enough to stabilize.

We've got some other Lion Loads ready but it's snowing sideways here in NH so it'll be awhile.
 
I had my savage 10fcm rebarreled by SSK to 338 whisper. I shoot 305 grain cast bullets from an NEI mold. I have a 1.625"x13" aluminum can I built on a form 1. The can telescopes 6" back over the barrel. The sound is rather high pitched, and sort of like a car door slamming.

I use surplus WC820, it is like H110, and give me about 1050 fps with 12.5 grain loads. The stdev is about 16 or so. Accuracy is 1.5" at 100 yards, so far. I have not tried the sierra jacketed 300 grain bullets yet.

Where do I get the 350 gain bullets?

Ranb
 
Ranb: do you have any comments specifically about shooting cast bullets through the suppressor ? Dirty, etc ?
 
The baffles get a soft black fouling with only a few rounds through the can. I think it is from the Lee Alox I use on the bullets. When cleaning the baffles, I did not notice this fouling obstructing the center holes at all.

Ranb
 
sorry to bring this old thread back, but does anyone know what kind of range i could expect from a .338 whisper? (the first type)
also, does anyone know what kind of range i could expect from the .510 whisper?
thnx
Oshri
 
Range

with a heavy subsonic bullet I'd not expect much over 200 yds, and your range estimation better be good since the trajectory will be a rainbow.
 
I have used my 300 and 510 whispers at a 550 yard rifle range. I just had a spotter and adjusted my aim using the mil-dot scope. It takes almost two seconds to reach the target, and the wind is a much greater factor. But as long as you know your range or can adjust for it after a sighting round, then anything out to 600 yards is not much of a problem. A range card will help out a lot at ranges over 200 yards.

Ranb
 
Help

Have you used any full power loads with the Whisper??? and say a 250 gr. SMK ... how fast will it shoot and is there any purpose to it... I am shooting (today was break-in) my 338 Whisper and like it very much, but would like it quieter at subsonic speeds ... thoughts reactions criticisms -- all appreciated LRB
 
The only full power whisper loads I have ever tried were 125 grain bullets in the 300 whisper. Good for hunting I hear.

Ranb
 
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