Something weird about Nosler load data for .35 Whelen

[wombat13]

Is Nosler loading .35 Whelen to higher pressure than others? I've been comparing .338-06 load data with .35 Whelen and most sources show the .338-06 achieving the same or higher velocity than .35 Whelen in similar bullet weights, but Nosler shows .35 Whelen about 200 fps faster than .338-06. For example with a 225 grain bullet:

Accurate Powder: .338-06 is 7 fps faster (2,620 vs. 2,613)
Barnes Bullets: .338-06 is 18 fps faster (2,719 vs. 2,701)
Hodgdon Powder: .338-06 is 65 fps faster (2,683 vs. 2,618)
Nosler Bullets: .35 Whelen is 210 fps faster (2,805 vs. 2,595)

Similar story in other bullet weights. The Nosler data for .35 Whelen seems out of whack. Any ideas what gives?

 

[FROGO207]

I am interested in this too. Having just acquired a 35 Whelen and now getting into loading for it as soon as my dies arrive. Might just be the barrel they are using is faster by that much.

 

[wombat13]

I am interested in this too. Having just acquired a 35 Whelen and now getting into loading for it as soon as my dies arrive. Might just be the barrel they are using is faster by that much.

I suppose it could be a faster barrel, but Nosler’s data on .338-06 is so close to the other sources. All of the sources I checked are close on .338-06 and all of the sources EXCEPT Nosler are close on .35 Whelen.

I noticed that Hodgdon quote Whelen pressures in CUP and .338-06 in psi. Is it possible that most loading data for the Whelen is downloaded for older rifles? If so, are hand loaders for the Whalen in new rifles on their own for finding safe max loads?

 

[joneb]

I would error on the low side and work up the load for your rifle.
You could ask Nosler, Nosler custom rifles has a 338-06 and 35 Whelen offering.
Is there a 338-06 and a 338-06 A Square?

 

[GooseGestapo]

.338/06 A-Square is a trademark issue.
Art Alpin of A-Square tried to corral the market on the .338/06 by attaining a trademark on the name in order to gain licensing fee's. Weatherby got around this by calling theirs the .338/06 Weatherby and was granted SAAMI recognition.

My .338/06 Lee dies are marked .338/06 Ack (Ackley) to get around the trademark issue.

Now you know why the .338/06 didn't get traction.
A similar issue arose between Rick Jamison and Winchester over the Winchester Super Short Magnums. Rick won (7-figures), but couldn't publish trade articles for 10yrs.
He's back now...

Getting back to the .338/06, they're all one, and the same. Except unless it's an Ackley Improved, or such.

The Nosler barrel is just a "fast" barrel. But, I've seen old data from '60's till Remington factory legitimized the Whelen that mirrors Nosler's results. From the time I bought my MkX in 1975 till 2003 when I rebarreled it, I dreamed of making it a .35Whelen. However, when I got a "rown tooit", I ended up with an Adams&Bennet.338/06 barrel.

Now, I think of again making it a .35, but have essentially a lifetime supply of bullets in .338. That, and I have a deadly Marlin 336 .35R, and a "too pretty to hunt" BLR .358. They scratch my .35 itch... that, and not many grizzly bears, moose, or elk in Georgia.
But some elephants got loose in Atlanta yesterday!
But for that, I've got a .375Ruger African and some 300gr solids. (Heck, I got an open box of them with two missing at a flea market for $5. Why not???).

 

[someguy2800]

Seams like whenever someone trademarks a cartridge that is the death of that. Take for example the 300 whisper. JD Jones made the 300 whisper many years ago and trademarked the name. Sammi won't standardize a trademarked cartridge and nobody want to pay royalties to chamber a barrel or make ammo for a non sammi cartridge so it never went anywhere. Along comes AAC and they submit the same cartridge to sammi but call it the blackout and boom, huge commercial success. Suddenly everyone praises AAC for the new cartridge they invented.