356 Winchester vs. 35 Remington

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How fare will a marlin 35 kill a deer at
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They are generally considered a brush gun (read close range) but the new Leverlution ammo is supposed to extend that quite a bit.
 
Another alternative I could suggest to you is a model 1894 in .44 magnum. A .44 can do anything a .35 remington can do and ammunition is even more plentiful.
 
Another alternative I could suggest to you is a model 1894 in .44 magnum. A .44 can do anything a .35 remington can do and ammunition is even more plentiful.
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In terms of pure power no...the 35 Rem is a 2000 ft/lb cartridge...the Heavt 35 Remington 220 gr. load from Buffalo Bore can reach 2300 ft/lb.
 
I have dropped two deer at 150 yds. with a Marlin .35 rem and one at @ 125 yards with a Remington 141 in .35 Rem. A good cartridge that doesn't beat you up and does a nice job on deer. Ammunition is available I would vote for the .35.
 
I would also vote for the .35 Rem. The .356Win. is pretty much a dead round nowdays anyways.
 
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In terms of pure power no...the 35 Rem is a 2000 ft/lb cartridge...the Heavt 35 Remington 220 gr. load from Buffalo Bore can reach 2300 ft/lb.
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Where are you getting these numbers? What PSI are these loads working at? Looking at my Speer manual, the .35 Remington can safely push a 220 grain bullet to 1900fps. That's 1760 footpounds. My .44 with a 240 grain bullet at 1800 fps is 1725 footpounds. With some of my hot handloads I've pushed a 240 grain bullet at 1900fps. Looks about equal.
 
Where are you getting these numbers? What PSI are these loads working at? Looking at my Speer manual, the .35 Remington can safely push a 220 grain bullet to 1900fps. That's 1760 footpounds. My .44 with a 240 grain bullet at 1800 fps is 1725 footpounds. With some of my hot handloads I've pushed a 240 grain bullet at 1900fps. Looks about equal.
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I'm getting these numbers from here here:

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=166

220 gr. Heavy 35 Remington from Buffalo Bore, 2200 fps and 2364 ft/lb, yes I suspect they are a bit overpressure but perfectly safe in Marlin lever action rifles.

I run some numbers from the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center for the best SAAMI compliant loads for both cartridges.

A 35 Rem can push a 220 gr. pill at 2010 fps wich equals to 1973 ft/lb.....a 200 gr, slug can be pushed at 2139 which equals to 2031 ft/lb

A 44 Mag fired from a rifle barrel, using the load data from the same source, can push a 240 gr. bullet at 1817 fps which equal to 1759 ft/lb, a 300 gr. pill falls off the cliff, performance wise, reaching only 1473 fps for a muzzle energy value of 1445 ft/lb

A 35 Rem 200 gr. bullet has higher energy and SD than a 240 gr. 44 Mag bullet and carries farther...
 
You, you are right about those numbers. But Buffalo bore also make a hot +P load for .44 magnum.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=9
If you assume you'll add 300 fps out of a carbine, their 1487fps load will be going more than 1700fps in the carbine. That's 2180 foot pounds of energy.

So, does that still make the .44 magnum a viable alternative? I think so.
 
One of my former coworkers has a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington and a Winchester 94 Big Bore in .356 Winchester. He says the .356 hits much harder than the .35, especially on hogs, but shoots the .35 more because factory ammo for the .356 costs 52 bucks a box where he lives. I told him to buy the reloading dies and we can fix that :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
ive shot many deer and bear and pigs with the 35 rem. Quite a few deer and bear with the 356 too. I can tell you that from my field experince that the 35 rem is a good kill and the 356 is a GREAT killer. It defineatly seems to put more of a thump on an animal.
 
Interesting that an '09 post got resurresected.

I too have used both the .35Rem and .30/30. I consider the .30/30 to be "good" and enjoy using mine. But, the .35Rem is undoubtably better. But, they both do work very well. Just the .35 gives a bit more "whack", and the deer react more to the hit. Wound channels are larger and typically deeper with the .35. If you reload, get a .35. If you don't, stick with the .30/30.

I long considered rechambering my .35Rem to .356. It's as easy as running a .358wcf reamer into the chamber and reaming it out.
However, you are then stuck with using .358wcf brass or reformed .308 brass which does work with the .35Rem bolt-head. You can't use .358wcf ammo due to excessive length and pressure for the lever actions.

The "solution" is to load the .35Rem up. The "Manual" data for the .35Rem is much reduced to accomodate some weaker semi-auto actions from the early 1900's that wouldn't even accept some of the "Express" factory loads that Remington offered for non-self feeding actions back in the 1920's and '30's.

With a "loaded up" .35, as the ammo from Buffalo Bore and others show, the .35Rem becomes much closer to the .356wcf.
The .356wcf came about because Winchester felt there was a desire for an "updated" .35. But, because of other market factors, not many rifles were built, and if it ain't available, you can't buy it. Hence, I never saw one before 1998. I saw two .307's,(Win BigBore M94's) both in the hands of very satisfied owners in the field (hunter's I checked) during my career.

The new .338Marlin Express is this idea revisited, but done even better. I've got one, and now no longer feel the urge to find a .356win or build one.
I've also used the .358" 200gr FTX in handloads and don't particularily care for it. It's a bit "Hard" for the .35 and dosen't expand as well as the Remington or Sierra 200gr RN.
I've taken deer as far as 200yds with my .35. Sighted in +3" at 100yds, it (and it's little companion the .30/30) shoot suprisingly flat to 200yds!
 
I had a Marlin 336 ER in .356 for quite some time. I bought some ammo from CPC and then loaded up my own after that. It was a great round and I enjoyed shooting it. If I were to going to do it again, I would probably go with a .35 Rem and shoot Leverevolution or get some BB ammo. Winchester make seasonal runs of .356 brass, but even then it is hard to obtain. I ended up going to the .45/70 for my close/heavier game rifle and it worked out great. It has a true power advantage over the .356, is easy to load for and I can buy ammo near most places I camp or hunt.

All that said, I do love the 356 and if it is not a pain for you to assemble the components and load I would go for it.
 
The Hornady LeveRevolution ammo splits the difference at 2225.
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That is out of a 24" test barrel, and only comes with the FTX bullet...Fine if you hit a deer in the vitals, but do not expect to smash bone on a bear with it...

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Note to self: Look at the date on original post before getting sucked in...
 
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Ive shot a number of deer with both my 35 rem and my 356 big bore. the 35 rem defineately gets the job done at least out to a 100-150 yards. At those ranges though the 356 absolutely hammers them and will add another 100 yards to the effective range of a 35.
 
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