357/44 Bain & Davis

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My 30-30 contender with a 10" barrel could push a Sierra 150 gr to 1980 fps using IMR 4895. Hard on the hand firing a lot of rounds. Shot a guys 460 with a longer barrel 2 years ago. Not bad.

For the 308, hand load using Hodgdons youth loads with H4895. The powder gives a wide range of velocities.
 
Just got off the phone with my lgs. I'm going in this afternoon to lay some money down on the B&D. I must be a good enough customer that i'm getting 4 months to pay it off instead of the usual 2. $675 and he's gonna find me a reasonably priced scope to put on it! Can't do much better than that! Now to start saving for dies, brass and powder.
 
Patocazador said:
Remember to use a bit faster-burning powder with a rifle cartridge in a pistol with its shorter barrel.
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https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/re...-barreled-rifle-require-different-reload-data

Hodgdon thinks differently.
The chamber dimension determines the pressure. So, the pressure is the same when fired in that chamber in a rifle or a handgun. The barrel length has no impact on the chamber pressure and hence the reloading data (powder charge and pressure).

The length of the barrel will change the actual velocity you observe. In general as the barrel gets shorter than standard the velocity will lower, and as the barrel gets longer than standard the velocity will increase. This does not change the reload data (powder charge and pressure), just the velocity
 
Patocazador said:
It changes the muzzle blast in some of my pistols. I go for accuracy with hunting loads. Velocity differences are immaterial to me unless they harm the accuracy.
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Same here. Especially since i'll be shooting a single shot pistol. Accuracy is the most important thing to ensure a clean kill since the 357 B&D is proven enough in terms of sub-150yd medium game with the proper bullets.
 
Sneakshot92 said:
Just got off the phone with my lgs. I'm going in this afternoon to lay some money down on the B&D. I must be a good enough customer that i'm getting 4 months to pay it off instead of the usual 2. $675 and he's gonna find me a reasonably priced scope to put on it! Can't do much better than that! Now to start saving for dies, brass and powder.
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* Now that a few of my friends who are also regulars at the gun shop have found out I'm joining the single shot handgun hunting group; I got a phone call about midnight from one of the older guys (I think he's almost 80) and he offered to sell me his 14 inch scoped MGM 45Colt barrel, his Hornady dies, a healthy supply of cast and jacketed bullets and about 1500 pieces of 3x fired brass for $450. Is this too good to be true?!?
 
Hooda Thunkit said:
Oh wow ! Buy the 45 Colt barrel, with the accoutrements.

Or, give him my number.....
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Hmm. Makes me think I might have to try and flip the B&D barrel, but I don't know about that.. That might be a sin.
I'll have to call him back and see how long the offer stands. Most of my next paycheck may just have went out the door...
 
Patocazador said:
In a few days you should have a $1200 deposit in your checking account if the hype is correct.
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I’ll believe it when I see it.
And then I’ll wonder, why?
Will we go through these shenanigans with every flu season?
Then I’ll lose interest, shrug, go inside and order a Hornady Ammo Plant.;)
 
I have two of them, a Blackhawk and an H&R Handi rifle. They are fun shooters with mild recoil, less than 44 mag.
I got the Blackhawk years ago with a set of Redding dies. Turns out the dies and chamber are two different sizes, the dies size the case down too much causing excess working of the shoulder. That can be corrected by neck sizing only with a 357 die and body sizing with a 44 mag die. I don't mind the extra work, so no big deal.
Both guns shoot best with 358" bullets in the 150-170 grain range.
When making brass the cases should be annealed to prevent cracking in the shoulder. One pass through the sizing die it all that's required, and even if you don't anneal just keep an eye out for cracks.
If you are a reloader, you will really like this cartridge.
 
Pressman said:
I have two of them, a Blackhawk and an H&R Handi rifle. They are fun shooters with mild recoil, less than 44 mag.
I got the Blackhawk years ago with a set of Redding dies. Turns out the dies and chamber are two different sizes, the dies size the case down too much causing excess working of the shoulder. That can be corrected by neck sizing only with a 357 die and body sizing with a 44 mag die. I don't mind the extra work, so no big deal.
Both guns shoot best with 358" bullets in the 150-170 grain range.
When making brass the cases should be annealed to prevent cracking in the shoulder. One pass through the sizing die it all that's required, and even if you don't anneal just keep an eye out for cracks.
If you are a reloader, you will really like this cartridge.
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Thanks for the advice.
 
I just ran across this. How about ab update! How is it, what about the reloading? Have you hunted with it.
 
I don't know why, but I have always wanted a Ruger 77/357 Bain and Davis.
 
I used to haunt the Bain & Davis gun store in San Gabriel Ca a lot back in the early 1990’s. They had a plaque commemorating their namesake cartridge on the wall :thumbup:.

It apparently changed hands in the 2015-era and is now closed.

The round packs some horsepower, that’s for sure. I think it would be a neat addition to your quiver ;).

Stay safe.
 
My brother-in-law has a 4" S&W Mdl 27 in .357 B&D which he inherited from his dad. I had the gun for a few months in order to develop loads for it since BnL doesn't handload. Great gun. IMO rechambering it was a horrible thing to do. In a 4" Revolver the big bottlenecked case just made it louder and more expensive to shoot. In a Contender the B&D should be awesome.
 
I agree with you.
A 4" Bbl is a lot of disappointment for the amount of propellant the 357/44 B&D can hold.
I just got done shaping a little furniture for a 10" contender
Points natural as hell!
357-44-B-and-D.jpg
These loads push a 125 SJHP with 24 gr. W296. I guarantee that 10" ain't enough barrel!
 
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