357 Magnum semi-auto
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RecoilRob
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Just to clarify a couple of things in this thread:
DE's are gas operated, rotating bolt weapons...with the gas system resembling the Mini-14 rifle while employing an M-16 type multi-lugged locking bolt.
H&K P7 series weapons are 'Gas Retarded Blowback' where gas is fed to a piston which helps hold the action CLOSED. Totally different use of the gas.
And, I had a 357 DE and it was FAR from a 'jammo-matic'. Actually, it was totally reliable and one of the fastest firing pistols I have ever shot. Recoil was very light and several shots per second would stay very close to one another on the target.
But, it seemed louder than other pistols (thought it was the gas blowing back toward the shooter) and overly large/heavy for the cartridge used. Sold it several years ago.
But, still have the Coonan. Interestingly, it will not handle hot ammo like the DE would. It is reliable as long as it is fed hot enough but not too hot ammo. Go too high on the pressures and it will start having trouble extracting the cases. Probably due to the long case and the amount of brass in contact with the chamber walls combined with early unlocking. The gas operated DE is much more consistant with its' unlocking timing as it is independant of the recoil impulse of the load.
DE's are gas operated, rotating bolt weapons...with the gas system resembling the Mini-14 rifle while employing an M-16 type multi-lugged locking bolt.
H&K P7 series weapons are 'Gas Retarded Blowback' where gas is fed to a piston which helps hold the action CLOSED. Totally different use of the gas.
And, I had a 357 DE and it was FAR from a 'jammo-matic'. Actually, it was totally reliable and one of the fastest firing pistols I have ever shot. Recoil was very light and several shots per second would stay very close to one another on the target.
But, it seemed louder than other pistols (thought it was the gas blowing back toward the shooter) and overly large/heavy for the cartridge used. Sold it several years ago.
But, still have the Coonan. Interestingly, it will not handle hot ammo like the DE would. It is reliable as long as it is fed hot enough but not too hot ammo. Go too high on the pressures and it will start having trouble extracting the cases. Probably due to the long case and the amount of brass in contact with the chamber walls combined with early unlocking. The gas operated DE is much more consistant with its' unlocking timing as it is independant of the recoil impulse of the load.
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I don't blame you for looking at the .357 mag. IMHO, I think everyone should own a S&W in .357 mag. I've got a 686 6" myself.
You should definitely go out and try one out. I think you'll like it very much. In fact, decide what your budget is, try what's in your budget and go from there. Heck, get all of them!
You should definitely go out and try one out. I think you'll like it very much. In fact, decide what your budget is, try what's in your budget and go from there. Heck, get all of them!
it is quite heavy
between the weight & the flinch I had I couldnt hit much and a G26 replaced mine earlier this year lol
the weight would nicely soak up the .357 recoil, but then you have issues with reliability with the slide cycling unless you shoot max power rounds
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A gas system like in the DEs is used to soften felt recoil.
The gas system of the DE allows it to use powerful cartridges without requiring incredibly heavy recoil springs. Recoil operated .50 AE pistols require a good deal of effort to rack the slide. This system does not reduce felt recoil any more than other locked-breech designs.
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While you may be correct about the felt recoil, etc. from the DE 50 AE, I do believe the felt recoil in the .357 Magnum is reduced. In several reviews, the testers state that the recoil in the DE .357 Mag and the DE .44 Mag is reduced due to a combination of the weight of the firearm and the gas system. However, neither the weight or the gas system lessens felt recoil on the DE 50 AE or the DE .440 Cor Bon Mag.
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A gas system like in the DEs is used to soften felt recoil.
The gas system of the DE allows it to use powerful cartridges without requiring incredibly heavy recoil springs. Recoil operated .50 AE pistols require a good deal of effort to rack the slide. This system does not reduce felt recoil any more than other locked-breech designs.
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While you may be correct about the felt recoil, etc. from the DE 50 AE, I do believe the felt recoil in the .357 Magnum is reduced. In several reviews, the testers state that the recoil in the DE .357 Mag and the DE .44 Mag is reduced due to a combination of the weight of the firearm and the gas system. However, neither the weight or the gas system lessens felt recoil on the DE 50 AE or the DE .440 Cor Bon Mag.
Grayrider
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I would echo the above comment to look at the .38 Super and 9x23. One can easily have an autoloader in either round producing impressive ballistics. 9x23 is certainly well within the realm of the .357 Magnum. There are several related cartridges that give a variety of options for any shooter wanting something like .357 performance from an autoloader (38TJ, .38 Super Comp, 9mm Super Comp). Unlike .357 Sig, you still get ammo capacities on par with a 9mm handgun. In the Witness line (for example), you get 18 rounds of Super. Many shooters report no problems running 9x23 from such guns, but of course YMMV. I am currently getting a couple Supers ready for carry use.
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hurrakane212
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A little advice
Hey, I am in your age group and I got into shooting heavily not too long ago. A couple years ago I was asking if 10mm would make a good first gun...
My very first handgun was a Beretta Minx .22 short I bought off a friend for 50$.
My first major caliber gun was a .357 Mag snubbie. Great gun, but I didn't like shooting it with .357's and it was too heavy to justify pocket carry.
With .38 specials, it wasn't bad, but I just didn't LOVE shooting it.
Well after renting and shooting dozens of guns in lots of calibers I discovered that I like .45ACP 1911's, 9mm (9X19) SIG's, XD's, Beretta's and CZ's, and .357 ruger GP100 (6 inch barrel). I have yet to have much experience with 357SIG, 10mm, .40S&W.
It's great that you are interested in various calibers (I'd love to try 9X23 as well) but I have discovered that even .45ACP gets pretty expensive to feed.
So unless you are absolutley bankrolled, I'd look at 9X19 pretty closely.
And if you are indeed, bankrolled, then may I reccomend a quality 1911 from a manufacturer like Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Les Baer, Wilson, Ted Yost, or the like?
And if you really want a "fifty" there is a .50GI 1911
http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml
Have fun choosing a platform and cartridge!~Nathan
Hey, I am in your age group and I got into shooting heavily not too long ago. A couple years ago I was asking if 10mm would make a good first gun...
My very first handgun was a Beretta Minx .22 short I bought off a friend for 50$.
My first major caliber gun was a .357 Mag snubbie. Great gun, but I didn't like shooting it with .357's and it was too heavy to justify pocket carry.
With .38 specials, it wasn't bad, but I just didn't LOVE shooting it.
Well after renting and shooting dozens of guns in lots of calibers I discovered that I like .45ACP 1911's, 9mm (9X19) SIG's, XD's, Beretta's and CZ's, and .357 ruger GP100 (6 inch barrel). I have yet to have much experience with 357SIG, 10mm, .40S&W.
It's great that you are interested in various calibers (I'd love to try 9X23 as well) but I have discovered that even .45ACP gets pretty expensive to feed.
So unless you are absolutley bankrolled, I'd look at 9X19 pretty closely.
And if you are indeed, bankrolled, then may I reccomend a quality 1911 from a manufacturer like Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Les Baer, Wilson, Ted Yost, or the like?
And if you really want a "fifty" there is a .50GI 1911
http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml
Have fun choosing a platform and cartridge!~Nathan
SSN Vet
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since your learning numbers....how about 1, 2, 3 & 4
seriously....
learn and practice the four rules. accidental injury and/or death will take all the cool and fun out of handling firearms.
going from memory.....
1. treat every gun as if it were loaded
2. never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy
3. keep you finger off the trigger untill your ready to shoot
4. be sure of your target and what's beyond it.
others are much more qualified to teach them than I .....
I'm not looking down my nose....just sharing some friendly advice
seriously....
learn and practice the four rules. accidental injury and/or death will take all the cool and fun out of handling firearms.
going from memory.....
1. treat every gun as if it were loaded
2. never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy
3. keep you finger off the trigger untill your ready to shoot
4. be sure of your target and what's beyond it.
others are much more qualified to teach them than I .....
I'm not looking down my nose....just sharing some friendly advice
EddieCoyle
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Although the 10mm is my favorite caliber, I would not recommend it to a new shooter because:
1. The recoil can be a bit uncomfortable for most newbies.
2. It is expensive to shoot.
3. Factory ammo choices are limited compared to 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
However, if/when you start handloading, you'll find that the 10mm is one of the most versatile calibers you can get.
1. The recoil can be a bit uncomfortable for most newbies.
2. It is expensive to shoot.
3. Factory ammo choices are limited compared to 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
However, if/when you start handloading, you'll find that the 10mm is one of the most versatile calibers you can get.
Jabez
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Hi Strat81,
Glad your getting into the obsession. I have a Coonan 357mag. It's an awesome pistol and at Coonan’s web site they say they are going to start making them again.
I also own a Glock 10mm and have owned a Smith 10mm.
the problem with owning ether a 10mm or the Coonan is
that you have to get to the next faze of the obsession which is reloading.
The 10mm ammo is tough to find and pricey if you do. The Coonan works best if you trim your cases and make sure you run them on the HOT side.
As you are new if you want an Auto I would suggest a 9mm
40 Smith 357sig or 45acp. In a wheel gun you can't beet a 357mag which also will except 38 specials.
Glad your getting into the obsession. I have a Coonan 357mag. It's an awesome pistol and at Coonan’s web site they say they are going to start making them again.
I also own a Glock 10mm and have owned a Smith 10mm.
the problem with owning ether a 10mm or the Coonan is
that you have to get to the next faze of the obsession which is reloading.
The 10mm ammo is tough to find and pricey if you do. The Coonan works best if you trim your cases and make sure you run them on the HOT side.
As you are new if you want an Auto I would suggest a 9mm
40 Smith 357sig or 45acp. In a wheel gun you can't beet a 357mag which also will except 38 specials.
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