.357 Rifle

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So as some of you may have read I'm starting to get ready for hunting and had asked in the revolver section if .357 was sufficient for wild pig. Someone suggested using a revolver as backup and getting a rifle chambered in the same caliber as a primary. This way I can become more proficient with my reloads and simplify things a bit for me. Sounds good to me but I don't know beans about .357 rifles.

Anyone know enough about them to lead me to a good one?

Questions

What kind of velocity can i expect from a 20"+ barrel?
Ar there loadings for rifle that are not safe for revolver and vice verse?
What kind of accuracy can I expect form the rifle you are suggesting?

Thanks a lot for your input;)
 
Normal 158g pressure tested loads will run in the 1800fps range from a 20" carbine. Accuracy at 100 can be plenty sufficent with the rifle itself being a much more important factor than anything else.
 
IF you can FIND a Marlin, get it - they are so in demand right now from CASS folks, they hold their value well and are in short supply everywhere (Been looking myself for a while).

Would make a decent HD rifle as well, IMO - you should be able to gain at least 300 fps or so over a revolver with a 20-24" lever gun
 
oneounceload said:
IF you can FIND a Marlin, get it - they are so in demand right now from CASS folks, they hold their value well and are in short supply everywhere (Been looking myself for a while).

Hmmm ... did you try looking on Impact Guns .... they're available there if you don't mind the non-CB blued version. I'm holding out for the stainless version ... those ARE hard to find. I know of another place that has the Cowboy version in stock for $775.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/026495142001.html

:)
 
Pump Action?

Anyone have experience with the pump action old school guns? They seem like they'd be better for follow up shots. Saw some Taurus and Uberti pump styles. Are these as good as the marlin?
 
pump guns aren't great when shooting from a rest, but are ok for offhand if you don't mind having your mitt halfway out the barrel.

I'd LOVE a Marlin 1894C. If you're concerned about tough critters, load heavy hardcast or maybe 180gr XTP's into that puppy. At the extreme end of the handloads you can apparently just about reach factory .30-30 energies at the muzzle, but don't expect much beyond 150yds due to the low-BC pistol bullet. It ought to hit really hard within 150yds, tho, with that big ol' meplat.

-Daizee
 
"What kind of velocity can i expect from a 20"+ barrel?
Ar there loadings for rifle that are not safe for revolver and vice verse?
What kind of accuracy can I expect form the rifle you are suggesting? "


most of the 357 lever actions likelier to be 18" (although they commonly come in 16"-20" lengths, but some longer can be had I believe, not that it will really much matter re: ballistic performance at typical hawg hunting range)

expect ~ 1700 fps for 158 gr load, up to ~2100 fps with some 125 gr loads
(the factory stuff, many things are possible if you handload)

2 MOA (1" groups at 50 yards) very reasonable expectation
luck of the draw, you might get lucky and do a little better, but not likely to get unlucky and do any worse than 3 MOA

any factory load SAMMI, is safe for any modern revolver or carbine/rifle, no problem... if you handload extra hot, it's your your own chosen risk, as always

in a lever action 357 tube magazine do (of course) avoid pointy bullet shapes... FNL or JHP or most JSP should not be a problem

choices... all good... obvious candidates on the list include

Marlin 1984c
Rossi/LSI/NavyArms/etc (made by Rossi, brazilia) '92 clone
Henry
or, if you are well heeled and real lucky, a "collectible class" Browning '92

I own the 1st two on that list, would like to have all four but do never really expect to... If you have thoughts about maybe a scope or red dot on one, go with the Marlin, you can leave a weaver rail on it and still use the irons (just barely) if so inclined, something a bit like a really wide buckhorn rear, if you ever need to peel the scope off to continue the hunt

which is best is whatever fits you best, they are all good rifles

eat more pork !
(preferably south Georgia style BBQ) ;)


PS
the "lightning" clone pumpers have a reputation for being a tad 'delicate'
The Taurus model was a marketplace failure and they quit making them (lots of problems with them); they put out a fair number of the 44 mags, but near zero of the 357s, the 357 never "really" went into marketplace production, too many problems
the rare IMI Timberwolf... you hear very mixed opinions about 'em, but rarely ever see the guns, long out of production
at this time, alas, lever actions are a far better bet
I would love a reliable pumper myself
 
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pump guns aren't great when shooting from a rest, but are ok for offhand if you don't mind having your mitt halfway out the barrel.

I'd LOVE a Marlin 1894C. If you're concerned about tough critters, load heavy hardcast or maybe 180gr XTP's into that puppy. At the extreme end of the handloads you can apparently just about reach factory .30-30 energies at the muzzle, but don't expect much beyond 150yds due to the low-BC pistol bullet. It ought to hit really hard within 150yds, tho, with that big ol' meplat.

-Daizee
the 180 gr XTPs, I have never tried 'em, not real inclined to, but curious
I did say above any SAMMI 357 load ok for either handgun or rifle, and surely it is so for the XTP as well ?
but I have never heard of anybody throwing them out of a revolver

anybody here been there, done that ?
(inclined to think it would be an "impressive" reaction)

DUH>>>> never mind... I was thinking of the poly-V tip stuff, not the XTP
just a, uh, "senior moment" there
 
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Scopes just look wrong on lever guns
I completely agree and uttered those same words over and over...'til I turned about 45 years old...
Still love the lever-action, just can't see the sights like I want.
I may humiliate my 336 by hanging some glass on it.
 
scopes look just fine on my leveractions
which sometime wear 'em, and sometimes don't
I wish people would get over that snotty attitude

they should setup whatever they like, land not do what they don't like
irons, peeps, red dots, scopes... all good... shooter choice is GOOD

some part of the snottiness is maybe (?) some people still do not know that 'scopes' come in many styles, long, short, fat, thin, etc... just like people
likewise lever actions comes in many styles, long, short, fat, thin... just like people

just call me grumpy :(
 
Scopes on a lever action

I couldn't agree more that the scope would look ridiculous. I would only use one for a hunt or maybe to see what the gun could do.
 
I completely agree and uttered those same words over and over...'til I turned about 45 years old...
Still love the lever-action, just can't see the sights like I want.
I may humiliate my 336 by hanging some glass on it.

Brother, I feel your pain. I can't hunt with open sights anymore. (Except for my turkey gun which has fiber optic sights. I can put the green blur between the red blurs well enough to hit reliably, but it's a shotgun.)

To preserve that old time feeling on your lever gun, try a peep sight. The aperture increases depth of field enough that you may be able to see the target and the front sight with the same prescription.

If all else fails there's nothing wrong with a scope on a lever action, despite the protests from those that don't need one. Just keep in mind that all you need is a small scope, especially on a 357. A 2.5x should work fine.
 
if willing to put up with ridicule from others, and willing to feel ashamed of yourself (even if just "only for hunt" or gun rag writer "to see what it can do")

just how much X power do you plan on for hawg hunting with a handgun round, friend ?
(if you are looking for 200 yard shots on big pig, you might want to reconsider handgun rounds, but that's your choice, of course, as it should be)

ever tried a receiver mounted 1" tube 3 MOA red dot on a Marlin lever ?
ever tried a <3X compact IER "shotgun" scope on a Marlin lever ?
ever put a 1" tube red dot on a browning BL22 receiver to play 22 golf ?
just too gosh awful big & bulky ????
fun is, as fun does... or mebbe not

True they look just as utterly ridiculous on a NEF single shot as they do on a lever action carbine, even if neither is in the way of the external hammer on either one... thankfully not ridiculous looking on a Marlin model 60, though
(well, only a little bit ridiculous)

either can be sight/target acquired both eyes open, and fired at least as fast as irons, (apparently works for a lot of handgun speed competition shooters)

not meaning to be nearly as nasty as all that sounds, but if I were you, I would NOT do any of that
no sarcasm, no BS
your gun, not mine

I actually have shot 357 lever actions with any/all of the above, though
(which I thunk was the subject of your OP, also thunk you asked somewhere there if you could scope a Marlin, but mebbe that was someone else)
there is no NEED for you to look ridiculous !
(let me do that for you, us old fella's like to feel useful too)

what you can expect for accuracy is 2 MOA
about 1700 fps w/ 158 gr out of 18", up to ~2100 fps w/ 125 gr factory stuff
(but me, I would go with that 180gr XTP, looks like a serious hawg killer to me, even though I have not actually used it myself)

it does NOT matter what sights you use, it matters what you like
open iron
peep
red dot
scope
laser

because ALL aforementioned 357 carbine/rifles will throw the exact same groups, 1" at 50 yards, fair expectations, ANY sight system
whether you shoot open iron or a 20X scope, that is what you can "expect", those groups will not tighten up at 50 yard nor 100 yards with a 20X or 40X scope, not even if your old stiff retinas are only a "little bit" fuzzy

no need to scope to "see what it can do"...honest, no kidding
these ain't 308s at 300 yards
this is a "burger king thing", you really can have it your way, and no reason you should not
just leave the scope at the gun shop
buy the rifle and throw some downrange

I am thinking you indicated you already have a 357 revolver; if so, believe this if nothing else, you will "double your fun" w/ a revolver/carbine combo come range day

true story -
long lost 40 year old son wandered home from yankee country for a long weekend visit, couple of weeks ago

he not be a shooter, but thought it might just be fun, so we did that
some of this, and some of that, two days in a row, a bunch of guns and calibers, pistol, revolver, rifles, all actions, ARs, bolts, levers, etc.

day one, took along my '92 and '94 357 carbines
had not shot my 1894c in a long time, so needed a few clicks adjustment,
(it has a ridiculous looking compact cheapo 2 1/2X scope on it), to hit as tight as my open iron '92
day two, just brought the Marlin 357 (scoped) '94, to finish burning up some cheapo 38sp range fodder
we had enjoyed a few "cold beverages" and dad-burnt-BBQ the evening before (south Georgia style)

posted up some 1" shoot-n-see dots at 50-60 yards
son tried out a (extreme accurate) 16X scoped 17 hummer over sandbags
had a little trouble holding on target, dunno why, the boy did pretty good for a newbie the day before
after 4 or 5 misses, I wandered back down line to my station, Marlin 1894c with 2 1/2X scope, forearm on sandbag, and threw one 38Sp round downrange, just to put some green in the middle of the dot, so he could see the target better; which he did, cause he was still looking thru that 16X trying to get centered when my shot went off

ridiculous as a lever action may look with a scope on it
ain't nowhere as ridiculous looking as a old fat guy great-grandfather looks, giggling like a little girl
as Albert might say, "it's all relative"

for the price of a 357 lever action carbine, there is VISA
for priceless, there are giggles
it is not what you are looking through, it's how you look at it at ;)

"Eat more pork, the other white meat"
:):):):)
 
I have owned both the rossi and marlin 357. I sold the rossi and bought the marlin to replace it with. I prefer the marlin of the two. As for velocity I used to get 1860fps witha 158gr jacketed bullet from the rossi. That was a max load. After I shot a coyote with that load and saw how the hollow point bullet blew that dog up I decided to back off a little and only use soft point bullets for top loads and deer hunting.

As far as scopes go I don't have a problem with them. My 44 mag is scoped right now. I used it to kill a deer this year. That scope helped make a perfectly placed shot right at dark. I don't like scopes on bolt actions that much myself. I just can't shoot as good of a group without them.

I have a marlin 39 22 lever action and it has a scope on it. That gun is so friggin accurate that it is almost criminal not to have a scope on it. The whole reason I haven't bought a CZ 22 is because I don't beleive a CZ can shoot any better than the model 39 I have. I simply cannot shoot up to the potential of that gun without a scope.
 
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