357 Rossi 92 feed problem

[Stefan A]

I cannot get a 357 round (or 38) all the way in the chamber. It just stops. Was shooting it last week and in the middle of shooting it just started happening. Came in and and gave it a good cleaning. Went out today and no luck. Pics below. Happens whether or not I manually place into the chamber or try to get it in with the lever action. This happens with factory or reloads. Same rounds that won't chamber are perfectly fine in my revolvers. Pic shows how far the cartridge will go.

 

[rabid wombat]

In the first picture, is that a piece of brass in the chamber? Did you have a case separation?

 

[Shooterbob]

Yes looks like a brass stuck in chamber.knock it out with a cleaning rod

 

[ColtPythonElite]

X3 on a separated case stuck in the chamber. I'll bet it's wedged in pretty tight, too.

 

[Obturation]

For sure brass in chamber. Doh!!!

 

[amd6547]

A tight fitting brass brush will pull that right out.

 

[rabid wombat]

@Stefan A good job on the pictures!

 

[Stefan A]

Does that mean a case broke inside of there? Because I cleaned it and ran a rod through there. Why would that happen?

 

[Stefan A]

Not sure I understand how to remove it. My punches are standard size. My widest is 5/16" and regular length.

 

[Obturation]

Does that mean a case broke inside of there? Because I cleaned it and ran a rod through there. Why would that happen?

Appears you had a case head separation . maybe the case was loaded too many times or overcharged . no idea but it's there. Get that thing out. Watch your ejected brass , it's important . if you see one cut off near the base you'll know there's gonna be a problem .

 

[rabid wombat]

Does that mean a case broke inside of there?

Yeppers, the case broke inside the chamber. A variety of reasons to cause this. Try what @Shooterbob and what @amd6547 recommend. If you are uncomfortable (or unsuccessful) with this, a gunsmith will be able to help you. The rifle is unusable (as you have found out) until this is remedied.

 

[Stefan A]

I tried brushes but that didn't work. Got up to a .54 brush.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

I am sure the next round you tried to chamber wedged that piece in tight.

 

[Blue68f100]

May try running slug down the barrel like you would for checking bore size. May be enough to catch the lip and knock it loose/out.

 

[Shooterbob]

Strean a look up removing a stuck case on the net midway USA has a good one .Put some kroil in there let it sit a while try again

 

[Kp321]

Lots of good ideas. You will have a hard time doing anything from the muzzle so bite the bullet and pull the bolt so you can access the breech. After a Kroil soak, take a cleaning rod with a 45 cal brush and put it into the breech then yank it back out. The bristles should grab the broken case and pull it out. If that doesn’t work, the last resort is to find a tap that will bite into the brass case but not hit the chamber wall. Screw it into the broken case a few turns then tap it out from the muzzle with a brass rod.

 

[Stefan A]

Lots of good ideas. You will have a hard time doing anything from the muzzle so bite the bullet and pull the bolt so you can access the breech. After a Kroil soak, take a cleaning rod with a 45 cal brush and put it into the breech then yank it back out. The bristles should grab the broken case and pull it out. If that doesn’t work, the last resort is to find a tap that will bite into the brass case but not hit the chamber wall. Screw it into the broken case a few turns then tap it out from the muzzle with a brass rod.

I’ve tried inserting a brush as large as .54 into the muzzle end and that did nothing. I also tried the densest amount of patches I could push through there and that didn’t work. But yeah, I’m getting the idea that I will have to learn to take this apart to get to the breech end. I have also purchased a tapered round rasp/file that I may try. Get it wedged into the case and twist it out. Saw it on YouTube . But I am a bit worried about messing up the barrel. If anything, that barrel has never been cleaner!

 

[Obturation]

You can try to use some computer duster (held upside down ) to freeze the case and hopefully shrink it down enough to shove it out with a brush, that's what is try next.

 

[Tinman357]

The 45 bronze brush from the breech end will work. It always has for me. (4 times)

A soak with a penetrating oil will help.

Side note: This is why you scrub the "crud ring" out of the chamber after shooting .38's. While you're in there, give it a good deep clean, do some research on slicking up the action (lots of sources) and get a finish chamber hone from Brownells and polish the chamber. I suspect a slightly "short" chamber. Get a finish reamer when you order the hone. That will fix it right up. Go slow, use a lot of oil.

If you're not comfortable with doing that, send it to one of the many very good "cowboy action" gunsmiths out there. You will get back a great rifle.

 

[Kp321]

The key is to have the brush bristles reverse and bite into the brass. Maybe you can put a cleaning rod in from the muzzle, screw a 45 brush on in the receiver, pull it into the chamber , then push it back into the receiver hopefully with the piece of brass attached. Beats pulling the bolt even though you really should learn.
I agree with Tinman357 about cleaning the 38 ring out of the chamber, in fact I never shoot 38’s out of my 92, load light loads in 357 brass.

 

[retDAC]

I’ve tried inserting a brush as large as .54 into the muzzle end and that did nothing. I also tried the densest amount of patches I could push through there and that didn’t work. But yeah, I’m getting the idea that I will have to learn to take this apart to get to the breech end. I have also purchased a tapered round rasp/file that I may try. Get it wedged into the case and twist it out. Saw it on YouTube . But I am a bit worried about messing up the barrel. If anything, that barrel has never been cleaner!

Once years ago a friend had a Ruger '06 bolt action with the forward part of a case stuck like you have. I tried a case extractor, brushes with oil, and even dry ice. No dice. Had to take it to a 'smith. Told Scott he would have to use a reamer. Told him what I had already done, so a reamer was required. When I went to pick it up, Scott said he tried all the standard tricks for two hours and had to use a reamer. Un-hunh who saw that coming?

When I got ir back to Steve, I reminded him that hot handloads in 1952 brass (yes the case head was dated '52! So more than half century old!), which had been reloaded so many times he couldn't even begin to count , are not a good combination.

 

[Stefan A]

I agree with Tinman357 about cleaning the 38 ring out of the chamber, in fact I never shoot 38’s out of my 92, load light loads in 357 brass.

I don't understand what this means.

 

[Shooterbob]

They are thinking you have shot 38 special out of your 357 leaving a ring of carbon and fouling. Making 357 shells hard to chamber. I don’t believe that is the problem. You have a case separation.Did see midway use video about case removal. The chamber casting alloy may be what you need to do.

 

[Kp321]

Stefan, sorry if I was not clear. Instead of shooting 38 specials, I load to the same velocity in 357 brass.

 

[Stefan A]

The job is almost complete. Removing the casing was child's play compared to disassembly and especially re-assembly. Holy cow. I was at it for about 3-3.5 hours and I still can't get the stock back on. Too tired to keep at it now - I'm sure I'll get it on. Every step of assembly was a huge PITA and nothing worked as easily as all the videos. Guaranteed I'll never do it again. I'd pay $200 to have someone do it. Sorry - I'm just a bit... pissed off right now. Anyway - thanks for the advise - it's fixed.