375 H&H 300 gr RN soft point

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I've been shooting Federal 300 gr and have purchased Hornady Heavy Mags also RN soft points yet about 200fps faster at muzzle. Now Hornady is out with the DGX; Dangerous Game eXpanding offered in 300gr RN soft point back down to around 2500fps.

What are the fundamental differences in bullet construction, if any, and could they all be used as Dangerous Game ammunition, followed by solids?
 
and could they all be used as Dangerous Game ammunition, followed by solids?

NO THEY can not! Do not use the regular Hornandy Heavy Mags on DG animals. Especially not at the velocities they use in the HM bullets. The HM's are just a regular old interlock round nose and are definitely NOT up to hunting thick skinned DG with.

I'd be a bit dubious about the DGX stuff too until it's had a season or so under it's belt.

I strongly recommend 300 gr Barnes TSX and BBS bullets for your .375 H&H. Leave the velocity at about 2450 to 2500 and kill the pants off of your cape buffalo. Some other great buff bullets are Swift A-frame, North Fork CPS, GSC and Rhino out of South Africa.

I think the DGX and DGS form Hornandy will be fine but I'd give them some time.
 
H&H Hunter

Thank you. This is what I was suspecting. Have you any experience with the PH line from Norma? They load a 350gr 375 H&H they qualify as specific to dangerous game hunting.
 
Cape Buff = Swift A-frame followed by all solids
Elephant = All solids
Hippo = Same as above
Lion = All Swift A-frames
Rhino = Tranquilizer dart or all solids
Leopard = All Swift A-Frames from a .300wm
Croc = Same as above

While I prefer the .416rem over the .375H&H in all cases, if you decide to use it stick with all 300gr bullets. The .416rem would use all 400gr bullets.
 
Have you any experience with the PH line from Norma?

No sir, none at all.

Lion hunter I can't argue with your advice! It is solid as a rock.:)
 
Lionhunter-H&H Hunter

Thank you for the advice. This would be my first Buff. Having read the different armchair advice, it seems to much gun is the one you flinch with.
The .375 is fine to shoot upright, but a little stiff after a box on the bench. It also seems to be the caliber that is to much for plains game and to little for the DG. CZ make a nice 404 Jeffery. With your experience, would this be a more reasonable choice given .423'' instead of .375'', bullet selection overriding sectional density. That aside, I shoot about 4000 to 5000 rounds a year on clays, birds, paper and game. I'm no sniper by any means, but I am regulary sub MOA. I understand shot placement is key; a 458 Lott in the butt wont bring them down.
 
I also own a .404 Jeffery. The .404 is a GREAT round just as versatile as your various .416's. In a modern action it can easily be loaded to match factory .416 Rigby levels.

I load mine with a 400 gr WLSP or solid @ about 2300 FPS which what the original RWS loads that the various parks used in their .404's for years and years. With this load you may well have one of the finest and easiest shooting thick skinned DG calibers on planet. Right up there with the various .416's. I choose a .404 over a .416 for nostalgic reasons and have since found it to be an outstanding smooth feeding easy to reload accurate DG caliber.
 
PLEASE, if you want something bigger than a .375H&H, which I consistently recommend, consider a .416Rem in whichever rifle you choose. Why? Because it is the easiest .416 to find ammunition for anywhere in the world and Remington loads their Premium Safari ammo with the Swift A-Frame at a very reasonable price for a large bore. If you can't find solids (Remington only does periodic loadings), have Superior Ammunition load some up for you.

Do NOT believe anything you might read regarding over pressure in this caliber. It's all BS, based upon one article written some years ago and no one has ever documented a problem. I've owned two rifles in this caliber, one a Remington Custom Shop and the second a Winchester Custom Shop SPECIAL BUILD. It broke my heart to do it, but I finally sold the Remington and kept the Winchester because it was SS. Have killed over a half-dozen Cape Buff, Hippo, etc. with these rifles in temperatures up to 120 degrees without any problems.

JMO, but nostalgia has no place when you are traveling half-way around the world on an expensive safari. Sorry H&Hhunter
 
I spend a lot of time in Africa both hunting and just hanging out with local friends. And of course perusing gun stores when possible. It may come as a shock but in South Africa it is easier to find some of the older British calibers than you might think. In Zimbabwe if your ammo didn't make it you are at the mercy of what is in camp and a .375H&H or a .458 Win is a pretty good bet. I've never seen any PH anywhere in Africa use a .416 Remington. Not to say that it isn't a great round but from what I've seen the Rigby is definitely the preferred African PH .416 round. Now that Norma and Hornandy are commercially loading the .404 it is becoming less of a concern. .470 NE may well be easier to find throughout Africa than .416 Remington but I wouldn't bet my last pay check on it.;)

I never got to any gun stores in Tanzania but would like to. Maybe the next time I'll make it a point to spend an extra day in either Dar or Arusha.

The rifles I've consistently brought to Africa are either a .375H&H & a .470NE or a .375H&H and a .458 Lott. If am not DG hunting I bring a .375H&H and either a .308 or a .30-06.

Lion Hunter did you happen to check out the report on the Zimbabwe PH examination last year and the failures that occurred with various rifles? The report includes an overpressure .416 Remington with a full up stoppage. I am trying to find a link to it without any luck at the moment.
 
H&Hhunter
First, the Zim PH article is more than a year old, actually quite a few years ago as I recall, and it is the one I referenced as pure, unadulterated BS. Even many African PHs agree with that statement. The documentation regarding the particular round in question has been seriously questioned and it is apparently likely that the round was both old and not cared for correctly. There has never been another question about the .416Rem being overpressured.

I've hunted Africa rather extensively - 3-4 weeks per year from 1995 to 2005 alone (missed 2002 when my daughter got married) - in 8 different sub-Saharan countries. I've had one PH use a .416Rigby and many with .416Rem; most who used a bolt gun carried a .458Lott in DG country. Think I have 13 head of DG, 50 species and more than 70 total animals from Africa and I don't do cull hunts.

Once outside RSA, gunshops are like 100 lbs Ele. The most common PG rifle in use by Africans is the .300wm in my experience, and that happens to be my choice since 1974. My DG battery includes a .375H&H, which I no longer use in Africa nor do I recommend, a .416Rem and a .458Lott, which will shoot .458wm in a pinch.

I've had one hunt partner who had to buy some .300wm in RSA before we went into Zambia because his "wildcat" rifle had problems in RSA and he needed to use my .300wm. While I've not had rifle/optics/ammo problems, I have had clients suffer all the above, usually because they didn't listen to good, experienced advice.

Just my observations.
 
LionHunter,

My point exactly. Once you are out of the RSA you are SOL on finding any ammo that doesn't happen to be in camp.
 
I'd just like to add...

...that I have no experience with African Hunting. Although I recently got back from a deployment and enjoyed some bird watching for many months in the bush while I was there.

It's nice to be back, and reading the forums again. When duck hunting (in the states) - I'm rarely charged by a canvas back or irate wood duck. But, after watching some of Mr Sullivan's video footage it's nice to come to the boards and read H&H hunter's and now LionHunter's posts...and live a little vicariously (sp?) through their experiences.

I appreciate your philosophy and feedback to everyone's posts. I mostly lurk, but am delighted when you guys post.
 
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