375 Ruger

[CraigC]

Just keep trying to weasel out of admitting how many more H&Hs are available.

You're busy refuting statements I never made. In post #115 I stated, "Nobody said there weren't more H&H's on the market than Rugers. It should be quite obvious that a popular cartridge that's over 100yrs old has been chambered in more guns than one less than 10yrs old."

You've been exposed, and everyone knows

Yeah, how many people are supporting you here?

 

[CraigC]

Had you paid attention to the thread, you'd know that bringing out a rifle in a new chambering costs the rifle manufacturer almost nothing...

It costs them money if the guns don't sell. Ruger is all about efficiency and they don't invest production time into guns that don't sell.

The guy you argued with above, MaxP, Ruger sends him pre-production guns for torture testing months before they're even announced. You might do well to shut-up and listen. You're a long way from being the most knowledgeable person here.

 

[Llama Bob]

You're busy refuting statements I never made. In post #115 I stated, "Nobody said there weren't more H&H's on the market than Rugers. It should be quite obvious that a popular cartridge that's over 100yrs old has been chambered in more guns than one less than 10yrs old."

It's not just old guns that make the H&H more common, it's new guns too. The H&H is and always has been the more popular one, and when Hornady drops .375 Ruger it'll be even more of a beating.

The .375 Ruger is a way to dupe inexperienced rifle buyers out of a few bucks, knowing that when brass and ammo go away it'll be their problem not Ruger's.

 

[Llama Bob]

You're a long way from being the most knowledgeable person here.

Says the guy who's been wrong across the board

Facts are facts, and the fact is that the .375 Ruger is junk. I feel sorry for people who got duped into buying rifles.

 

[CraigC]

It's not just old guns that make the H&H more common, it's new guns too. The H&H is and always has been the more popular one, and when Hornady drops .375 Ruger it'll be even more of a beating.

The .375 Ruger is a way to dupe inexperienced rifle buyers out of a few bucks, knowing that when brass and ammo go away it'll be their problem not Ruger's.

You're always full of contradictions. By your own logic, it would've made more sense for Ruger to build .375H&H's than to introduce a new cartridge. Oh yeah, they tried that and people didn't buy them.

Your predictions for the future are no more than nonsense and wishful thinking. It takes a good bit of arrogance to think you know better than so many people.

Facts are facts, and the fact is that the .375 Ruger is junk.

You have yet to explain how a cartridge that matches the .375H&H, yet fits into standard long action rifles that weigh 2-3lbs less is a "junk cartridge". You've just blathered on about how unpopular it is and insulted everyone who has one. Which is also wrong.

The .375 Ruger is a way to dupe inexperienced rifle buyers out of a few bucks, knowing that when brass and ammo go away it'll be their problem not Ruger's.

So buying a couple hundred rounds of brass is not a solution to that 'potential' problem? The level of arrogance is baffling.

 

[CraigC]

Seems to me that you hate what you hate, won't be swayed by facts, utterly reject any dissenting opinions and/or corrections of your errors and misinformation and there is no more to it than that.

 

[Llama Bob]

Oh yeah, they tried that and people didn't buy them.

You seem to be delusional. People ARE BUYING .375 H&H RUGERS RIGHT NOW. The idea that people "didn't buy them" is absurd. It's arguably the single most popular rifle/chambering combination for Africa ever created. It's quite possible they are currently selling more #1 .375 H&Hs than all the .375 Ruger offering combined. It's been the entry level recommendation of most PHs, along with the M70 in .375 H&H, for decades.

 

[Llama Bob]

So buying a couple hundred rounds of brass is not a solution to that 'potential' problem? The level of arrogance is baffling.

Not if you want to be able to take your rifle places and, you know, buy ammo. Of course you can scrape by on stashed brass for a while if you handload, but it's just another nail in the already well closed coffin of the .375 Ruger.

 

[CraigC]

You are so clueless. RUGER IS NOT MAKING ANY .375H&H RIFLES!!!

Ruger discontinued their magnum length model 77 several years ago. God, you are wrong at every turn but still belligerent.

Not if you want to be able to take your rifle places and, you know, buy ammo. Of course you can scrape by on stashed brass for a while if you handload, but it's just another nail in the already well closed coffin of the .375 Ruger.

If I handload and own the brass, why would I want to buy ammo???

Every irrational argument you've made has been struck down by multiple people, yet you persist.

 

[Llama Bob]

You are so clueless. RUGER IS NOT MAKING ANY .375H&H RIFLES!!!

The gunbroker link I already provided puts the lie to your latest nonsense. You'll have to try something new.

Ruger makes .357H&Hs in batches, just like all their other guns. As they begin to dry up, they'll make another batch. It's really quite simple.

 

[CraigC]

The gunbroker link I already provided puts the lie to your latest nonsense. You'll have to try something new.

Ruger makes .357H&Hs in batches, just like all their other guns. As they begin to dry up, they'll make another batch. It's really quite simple.

RUGER IS NOT PRODUCING ANY .375H&H RIFLES!!! Batches or otherwise. Or Tropical models in any chambering.

It's a fact, not up for debate or interpretation.

 

[Llama Bob]

If I handload and own the brass, why would I want to buy ammo???

Well I have no idea why you'd want to do anything, since you've proven quite irrational up to this point.

But consider that in many of the countries where a .375 magnum would be of use, hand loaded ammo is a candidate to be confiscated by the authorities. Even in the US TSA has thrown a snit fit about it more than once. That's not the law, but it's not an argument you're going to win on the spot either.

All things considered, I'd personally choose to use Federal's Woodleigh hydrostatic solid and bonded soft point loads. Premium bullets of the correct weight and type, and no chance that some apparatchik blows a fuse. But of course you can't buy those for .375 Ruger, because Federal doesn't like losing money so they don't exist. Which is my whole point.

 

[Llama Bob]

RUGER IS NOT PRODUCING ANY .375H&H RIFLES!!!

Keep yelling that. Meanwhile gunbroker keeps proving you wrong.

 

[CraigC]

If that's a valid issue, you can buy those bullets, load them yourself and pack them in factory ammo boxes.

Meanwhile gunbroker keeps proving you wrong.

What's on Gunbroker has nothing to do with what Ruger is producing. Sure, there might be 1000 rifles available in "new" condition but that doesn't mean Ruger is producing them. Because THEY'RE NOT! I can still buy brand new No. 1's in 9.3x74R or .450/.400 from CDNN but they've been out of production for a couple years now.

 

[Llama Bob]

What's on Gunbroker has nothing to do with what Ruger is producing.

This is a remarkable claim. So you're saying those rifles got on Gunbroker despite Ruger not producing them?!? So then who did produce them? Are they miracle rifles, appearing out of the ether fully formed ready to be sold to safari goers?

 

[CraigC]

Ruger produced them, just not recently. Not this year. Maybe not even next year. You'll have to wait and see when Lipsey's announces what they've ordered for next year.

Troll.

 

[Llama Bob]

If that's a valid issue, you can buy those bullets, load them yourself and pack them in factory ammo boxes.

Certainly, and I've done that myself for rifles that don't have suitable factory ammo. But the point of the .375 H&H is that it's a turnkey solution. You don't have to load for it. You don't have to try to fool some functionary fishing for bribes or who just hates guns. Just buy it, buy the readily available high quality ammo, and go. If your ammo gets lost or has problems making the trip, no big deal. There's plenty of ammo wherever you're going.

That's why PHs recommend the .375 H&H and why it will dominate for the foreseeable future. It's because it's the simple solution that has worked for 100 years.

 

[Llama Bob]

Ruger produced them, just not recently.

OK, so now you've had to acknowledge Ruger DOES produce them.

CraigC, about face!

 

[MCMXI]

There may be more Holland and Holland 375 loadings now, but I bet at the current rate of production of guns in the 375Ruger the latter will easily out distance the original 375.

I very much doubt that. First off, the .375 cal rifles aren't big sellers compared to the .30 cal and smaller calibers so they're not the big money makers for a rifle company. Second, why is it that the 300 WSM hasn't totally replaced the .300 Win Mag given that it's a more efficient cartridge? It should be obvious that many of the points being raised here in favor of the .375 Ruger over the .375 H&H are basically the same as the supposed advantages of the 300 WSM over the .300 Win Mag and yet there are many more .300 Win Mags being sold than 300 WSMs despite the availability of brass and factory ammunition for the latter. My guess is that the .375 Ruger will remain small and niche.

 

[Elkins45]

Says the guy who's been wrong across the board

Facts are facts, and the fact is that the .375 Ruger is junk. I feel sorry for people who got duped into buying rifles.

I feel sorry for anyone who has to interact with you up close. If you get this huffy and insulting about a rifle cartridge I can only imagine how you froth at the mouth about really big stuff.

I think the mods need to lock this thread before you have an aneurism.

 

[farmer pliers]

Craig thank you for sharing your knowledge and the facts. Along with many other cartridges I also own both a 375 Ruger and a 458 Win Mag another cartridge that got beat-up in this exchange.I appreciate both of these cartridges. I do not own a 375 H&h but like you I have always thought it was a great cartridge. I chose to buy the Ruger because of standard length action and the 375 H&H equivalent ballistics in a nice looking rifle, reasonably priced. I have stocked up on brass and have three places in the town I live that I can buy factory ammo if I were to choose for the 375 Ruger. One of my sons last week also bought a new 375 Ruger and he is very proud of his purchase and I am happy for him. This is a great cartridge that two great companies came together to develop. I feel this cartridge will be around longer then I will be. I might even use it this year for my elk tag, it is not so fast to damage a lot of meat yet shoots fairly flat and has a big delivery. I guess my son and I are happy rifle owners, that's what is important right?

 

[ljnowell]

Amazing, isn't it?

It certainly my is. Today I learned that quickload is more accurate than ACTUAL tests conducted in a ballistics lab.

This guy is a real hoot. I love threads like this because it let's me learn a lot about posters. For example I've learned they it's not worth even responding to a certain poster in this thread. He is clearly out of touch with reality.

 

[ljnowell]

Just keep trying to weasel out of admitting how many more H&Hs are available. You've been exposed, and everyone knows

CraigC is a long time poster with a vast knowledge. The truth is you look silly arguing the way you are. You have moved the goal posts dozens of times and blatantly ignored facts and truth. The laughable part is that you have basically spelled out to everyone in this forum what kind of posted and person you are. Have a great night.

Moderators, think it's about time to can this? It's nothing more than personal attacks from Llama Bob at this point.

 

[MaxP]

Wow. Clearly Bob has made up his mind and no amount of facts are going to change it. When I asked him about his actual experience with the cartridge he derides and hates so much, he admitted having none. How can one draw conclusions without actual experience? One can, but the weight of their opinion is directly proportional to their experience. You do the math.

Of course there are many more .375 H&Hs in circulation. The cartridge has a 100 year head start. Why would this even be brought into the discussion?

 

[ljnowell]

Wow. Clearly Bob has made up his mind and no amount of facts are going to change it. When I asked him about his actual experience with the cartridge he derides and hates so much, he admitted having none. How can one draw conclusions without actual experience? One can, but the weight of their opinion is directly proportional to their experience. You do the math.



Of course there are many more .375 H&Hs in circulation. The cartridge has a 100 year head start. Why would this even be brought into the discussion?

Because sidestepping and distractions are the hallmark of a weak argument.