I dont believe that is a realistic assessment. It's not a binary choice, and your proposal of magnum or death is conflating.So I guess you could say I value my life more than my hearing.
I dont believe that is a realistic assessment. It's not a binary choice, and your proposal of magnum or death is conflating.
Using an inferior cartridge for reasons far less critical than the primary goal of preserving our own life and the lives of those we love?
I think that there is a tipping point in blast that not only will stun the defender but will absolutely the accompanied recoil will prevent a second or followup shot if required. If in the scenario the first shot is a miss then the lower power round should enable retargeting sooner. The issue with my position is I dont know where that realistically falls. Being that one would be reasonably practiced with their choice the mechanics might be less than any possible disorientation. I consider that disorientation very real after shooting next to a 10" unsilenced sbr. And that's with the proper ppe.So let's evaluate the proposal (which is just for the purposes of discussion, right?):
A revolver with a 4" barrel and presumably 6 or maybe 7 shots, for home defense. I don't see any reasons to assume successful reloading of the firearm in the middle of the incident is likely (we can discuss why if you'd like). So we have a limited number of shots with which to deal with a home invasion, and yet many seem to be more concerned with preserving their hearing than stopping the threat.
Or are we to assume that .357 Magnum ammunition is no more potent than .38+p? And that a .357-.358" caliber bullet does the same thing, and is equally effective in causing a stop, regardless of velocity? We could discuss that.
Are we to assume that .38+p ammunition is below some arbitrary threshold for hearing damage, but any .357 Magnum is above it?
Are we to assume that the decibel levels of any .357 Magnum will cause some sort of temporary paralysis to the shooter, but .38+p cannot do this?
Are we to assume that all .357 Magnum ammunition creates a blinding flash, but that no .38+p could do this?
All of these issues with .357 Magnum have been suggested in this thread, in one way or another. And have been used as arguments in favor of .38+p. So whilst I certainly distilled my counter-argument into it's most basic form, isn't that really what we're talking about? Using an inferior cartridge for reasons far less critical than the primary goal of preserving our own life and the lives of those we love?
I reject your assumption the .38 is an inferior round for SD. See my post #18. Are you aware of any SD instances where the perp did not flee after the first hit? The goal is to stop the crime, a .38 and .357 will both do that job about as well, according to the research.
Why would higher penetration be a positive in a home SD situation? What if a loved one were in the next room?
I think that there is a tipping point in blast that not only will stun the defender but will absolutely the accompanied recoil will prevent a second or followup shot if required. If in the scenario the first shot is a miss then the lower power round should enable retargeting sooner. The issue with my position is I dont know where that realistically falls. Being that one would be reasonably practiced with their choice the mechanics might be less than any possible disorientation. I consider that disorientation very real after shooting next to a 10" unsilenced sbr. And that's with the proper ppe.
That's why these discussions are difficult because there are several important factors and not just one. A singular scope discussion is way easier.I read a report of a home invasion where a woman unloaded 5 shots of .38 into a man's head and neck, and he shout "Stop shooting me!" I'm not going to find it for you, but if you think the perp always flees after getting shot once, I guess that's what you believe.
What if there's more than one person? Are they still going to flee? Are you certain? Willing to bet your life on it?
Arguing about penetration suggests that you assume no shots are going to miss the intended target. Maybe you're that good. Most are not. And if you think penetration is the only difference between the two cartridges, I don't know what to tell you. .38Spl can over-penetrate too. Especially when it doesn't expand. You might want to go take a look at some ballistic testing of the two cartridges before you make such assumptions about which cartridge penetrates more. Did you know that expansion of a JHP is effected by velocity? The faster a given projectile goes, the more it expands.
The Whales sure responded to powerful underwater sonar for sure. I absolutely believe in the power and efficiency of a flashbangIn an adrenaline fueled state, the body responds differently. If you believe a shockwave on the air effects the human brain, you must also believe a shockwave in the body effects the central nervous system. I.E. hydrostatic shock.