38 spl Shotshell project (pics and results)

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Well... This has been written, and re-written, so hopefully I can contribute at least another variation to the pile. It's deer scouting time again in south Louisiana, and Mr. no-shoulders is out and about. I was poking around the reloading bench, and decided to try my hand at some shot shell loads to carry in my 442. The how-to's been discussed before, so I'll just throw in a few details of the project and then share the results. Hopefully I can contribute to some snake-charming success for a few others :D.

I'm aware of the shot capsules that speer sells (probably the "proper" way to load shot for a revolver cartridge), but I tend to enjoy tinkering with projects, rather than taking the easy way out.

As others before me have explained, I used some basic tools, including a hand drill and some sheets of thin but dense cardboard. Although it's not the optimal choice, I salvaged some 7 1/2 shot from a few 12 gauge shells.
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In the test loads I found the cardboard from an MRE box to be nearly perfect, with the exception of more thickness than what is necessary. I'm toying around with thinner cardboard that will allow me to include 100 grains of 7 1/2 shot rather than the 80 in these shells. This pic below shows the thinner cardboard from the back of a note pad. In these shells, I've loaded 3.5 grains of bullseye under 80 grains of 7 1/2 shot sandwiched between the cardboard wads sealed with wood glue. The wads were simply cut with a 38 spl case resized, deprimed and de-rimmed by chucking it in a drill and filing off the rim. The case mouth was over-chamfered and de-burred to make it sharp for cutting. Make sure to drill out the primer pocket for poking out the wads, and don't drill more than one wad at a time, if using MRE box. Those little suckers are nearly impossible to poke out if you've got more than one in there. When all was secured together, I smeared a dab of wood glue across the case mouth for good measure (even though it didn't seem to want to go anywhere after crimped).
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Results to follow momentarily:
 

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Five Yards:
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8 Yards:
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Keep in mind that these loads were with 7 1/2 shot, and only 80 grains of it. I've since been able to comfortably fit 100 grains of 7 1/2 shot in a case with thinner cardboard. I believe that's approxomately what the plastic capsules can hold... If I use smaller, more dense shot, I may be able to get a lot more than that... Hmmm. I'll give some updates when I can test the 100 grain loads. Density should improve, but it looks like this should end a snake outside of striking distance.
 

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So...Powder...Wad...Shot...Wad & Glue?

Like that?

Looks like it prints quite well..!
 
fun little tinkering project yous hould try some normal BBs they might no scatter as much, and maybe if you designed a funnel to hold the shot so it would control the shot like a shotgun wad. Ive always wanted to try to get more range out of shotshells in pistol calibers.
 
9's will get you more pellets - stick to about 5-10 FEET - you don't have that much energy from a snubbie. Of course, the Speer capsules are really easy and very cheap - I reload them all the time.

Next time, instead of paper, take a small potato and check what damage and penetration you get - it's a little more realistic than paper
 
I think the overshot wad in place of a full length wad or shot capsule like in a shotgun actually help the pattern density. The problem with shot out of a handgun is usually that the rifling causes the sho capsule or wadt to spin and creates a donut pattern. With no wad around the shot, theres not much for the rifling to hold on to and spin, therefore you see much less donut effect with the pattern.
 
So...Powder...Wad...Shot...Wad & Glue?

Like that?
exactly.
9's will get you more pellets - stick to about 5-10 FEET - you don't have that much energy from a snubbie. Of course, the Speer capsules are really easy and very cheap - I reload them all the time.
oneounceload, What's the weigt of a plastic capsule with #9 shot?
 
Can you use .357 Mag cases to put more shot/powder?

It could be done by sizing the front portion of the brass down, so that a 38 spl revolver thinks it's shooting a 38 case, but I've heard that the expansion would cause the cases to stick, or sometimes bind the cylinder. Also, if I were to create a shotshell that were not straight-walled, I couldn't use a resized case for my cutting tool. The easy answer is to use a .357 revolver if you wish to do that.

The next step for me will be to post some results with the thinner wad material that allows for 100 grains of shot, and then move to #9's which would allow even more loading density, I'm guessing somewhere around 110 grains.
 
That's a great post. I grew up in Lincoln Parish, La, and carrying snake loads isn't an option when the summertime scouting/fishing season comes around---it's mandatory. Looks like you did a great job; I've never tried making my own shotshells.
 
What's the weight of a plastic capsule with #9 shot?
I just weighed one and I got .25oz of #9 shot in the .38 Special Speer caplet.
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I see you weighed your shot charge in grains, .25oz = 109gr.
 
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I did some Double Ball with .45 Colt.

At ten Yards, both Balls went through the same hole.

This was Black Powder though, with no Loading Density issues.

Have not tried with .38 Special yet.

One way to have more of a Load though, would be to have the Shot extend out of the Case a ways, using a 'Big Gulp' Straw or something thin and light that would fit right...
 
Hello friends and neighbors // I don't reload anymore (my old room mate had the set up) and right now I don't have the time but I do take notes.

Is the bullseye better than blue dot in this case?
We only tried Red dot in .44mag for fun and cheap practice ammo, never shotshells. This sounds very versatile thanks for the info.
 
Has anyone tried this with 2 or 3 O or OO buckshot like a multiball?

Remington did a few years ago with "Multi ball" loads. Didn't sell, they discontinued it.

Edit: Oops, just noticed you mentioned multiball, so you've probably heard of it. Never mind. :eek:
 
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As I read your post I figured ya get acceptable patterns with the snubbie, try em in a longer barrel & it`ll get sparce to say the least with 7 1/2 shot !

But the 7 1/2 will hold more energy to penetrate larger snakes/ vermin .

I also load shotshells useing cards from cereal boxes , have for yrs. the factory stuff is too hi & the last capsules I bought would crack too easy!!! Beleive me I tried every way except taper crimpin.

I load 357 & for full length 357 cyl loads I use formed 357 max brass to get twice the payload of factory loads !! & run em 950 fps usein CLAYS powder.

I use #9 & 10 chilled

The lft. 1 is 357mag ,the rt. 1 is 357max

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I have been doing this for a number of years, the only downfall I have found is the leading of the bore.
Hoppe's makes a lead remover that does a great job.
Do not fire a slug threw the bore till you have removed the lead from the shot. You may also want to try a sleeve of paper to hold the shot away from the bore. It works, but is very time consuming and adds another step.

Ray
 
I recon one could Lube the Shot Pellets for less Leading if no Shot Capsule is used.

Even a small Muslin 'Bag' would be interesting...be shooting an easily torn 'Bean Bag' then...giving no dispersence untill impact.
 
oneounceload, What's the weigt of a plastic capsule with #9 shot

I have never weighed those things, just followed the recipe on the box

I just weighed one and I got .25oz of #9 shot in the .38 Special Speer caplet.
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I see you weighed your shot charge in grains, .25oz = 109gr

Thanks ArchangelCD!...Good to know

I almost thought about getting a small bag of #11 or #12 to see what these would do at 6-10 feet....on small snakes they might work

on some of the water mocs we get here, they might not!
 
yea those 10 foot moccasins that you swear are big enough to constrict and eat an alligator ;) I fished a great lake in georgia, lake peachtree, that had moccasins swimming on the water everywhere you looked.
 
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