I greatly appreciate the heads-up Kokapelli, but I fired 125 rounds of S&W the other day along with a few WWB. All cycled and fired just fine. No matter what, it's ALWAYS a good idea to fire the ammo before trusting it in your gun, regardless of what gun that is.
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I greatly appreciate the heads-up Kokapelli, but I fired 125 rounds of S&W the other day along with a few WWB. All cycled and fired just fine. No matter what, it's ALWAYS a good idea to fire the ammo before trusting it in your gun, regardless of what gun that is.
Some testing of different ammo was reported here between a Seecamp and other pistols http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197738780
I've got a Kel-Tec P3AT which I keep loaded with Extreme Shock USA 90gr Fang Face HP. 1130 fps and 255 ft.lbs of energy.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgis...a=14&idp=0&his=0&setup=1&cart_id=8226623.4572
I also carry the same bullet in my Sig 239 9mm.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgis...a=14&idp=0&his=0&setup=1&cart_id=8226623.4572
I also carry the same bullet in my Sig 239 9mm.
You might be interested in these tests of extreme shock in 9mm by "The Box O' Truth. CLICK THIS for the tests.
Based on these tests, Extreme Shock ammo looks like all the other exotic and highly priced ammo that probably does most of it's damage to your pocketbook.
The test ammo cost $1.85 per round. Look at the tests and see if you think it's worth that much.
Based on these tests, Extreme Shock ammo looks like all the other exotic and highly priced ammo that probably does most of it's damage to your pocketbook.
The test ammo cost $1.85 per round. Look at the tests and see if you think it's worth that much.
Very interesting. Definitely food for thought. My understanding of the cartridge is that it is intended to inflict most of its damage through the completeness of the energy transfer resulting in shock damage/trauma. I appreciate the response and the link. I am always interested in more/new information.
I carry six rounds of the fang face and the remainder of the mag plus 2 mags of Remington Golden Saber 147gr. I try to keep all bases covered.
I carry six rounds of the fang face and the remainder of the mag plus 2 mags of Remington Golden Saber 147gr. I try to keep all bases covered.
maconcop, you might also find this interesting too.
Why apparently the Santa Barbara round is junk.
RCmodel did you chrono any of this ammo or just dissect it?
I noticed you posted the exact same report on the KTOG forum on 1/11/06
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1137003479/0
And not everyone agreed that the ammo was junk. Some did and it seems Jocko was there to support you again.
BTW Gatorhugger's test was not impressed with Corbon DPX.
Other views
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=34268
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=206511
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=search2
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1123002383;start=
And the same cast of characters:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=29730&sid=1280641092be5520537bbbce6af4df5e
Yes I have shot it through my LCP with no ill effects so far.
However Mr. Camp believes its too hot for anything other than all steel
guns.http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Walther PP.htm
Byanymeans if you want to try out a box of SB I can pick one up for you at the local surplus guy and you can try it yourself. And decide for youself.
RCmodel did you chrono any of this ammo or just dissect it?
I noticed you posted the exact same report on the KTOG forum on 1/11/06
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1137003479/0
And not everyone agreed that the ammo was junk. Some did and it seems Jocko was there to support you again.
BTW Gatorhugger's test was not impressed with Corbon DPX.
Other views
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=34268
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=206511
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=search2
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1123002383;start=
And the same cast of characters:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=29730&sid=1280641092be5520537bbbce6af4df5e
Yes I have shot it through my LCP with no ill effects so far.
However Mr. Camp believes its too hot for anything other than all steel
guns.http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Walther PP.htm
Byanymeans if you want to try out a box of SB I can pick one up for you at the local surplus guy and you can try it yourself. And decide for youself.
I've already put 1000 rounds of it through my P-3AT and am on the second thousand now.
IMO shooting into a wet pack and equating it to gelatin is fun, but useless since there is no way of calibrating a wet pack and if there were, all the official ammo testing like for example the FBI does would be using a wet pack and not bothering with the high cost and all the necessary preparation gelatin requires.
When DT willy shot Santa Barbara into his wet pack, it would have some meaning had he also shot some American fmj into the same wet pack for comparison! Without that comparison his tests are meaningless.
rcmodel is not making assumptions and his report is factual since he actually disassembled a number of the Santa Barbara rounds.
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just remember this, all of the penetration test forget one thing, BONES! they all assume that the only thing you will be hitting is soft tissue. there is nothing that shows how far any bullet is penetrating with hitting a bone in their reports. hitting a bone is going to absorb a HUGE amount of bullet energy and severly limit how much further the bullet will penetrate. the trade off is that if you hit a bone, the amount of bullet energy transfered into the bg is going to be near 100%!
"There have been many police officers here in the United States who've been shot with medium-high energy Magnum handgun bullets (as well as shotgun slugs) while wearing soft body armor. Soft body armor is constructed of several layers of fabric. When a projectile impacts soft armor, its energy is transmitted directly through the flexible fabric to the officer's body. There's not one documented incident in which an officer was knocked unconscious or physically incapacitated or in any way rendered unable to perform willful activity after his soft armor stopped such a projectile. These officers absorbed nearly 100 percent kinetic energy transfer, yet none were incapacitated by the blunt trauma "shock" of projectile impact or temporary displacement of underlying soft tissues."
Read it at The Myth Of Energy Transfer?
actually legion, I tend to side with RC on this brand of ammo. he did a good testing of it, IMO, I also feel he tried to be neutral in initial testing. The results should speak for themselves. I have as I have stated never shot it and back then most were also buying it for it was a very low priced round to shoot. Never heard of any gun going k-boom with it either. It indeed has been sitting around, somewhere , for a long time. can't find it around any gun shows in this area for the past year. Wouldn't know RC if he walked in my home, but I have read many of his posts on other gun matters and to me anyways, his answers sure made a hell of alot of sense. I do think he has a very intensive gunsmith background to base some of his findngs on. He is also a kt fan, I am not, so we don't agree on everything either.
Well I put 50 rounds more of this SB ammo downrange with my Makarov and it was consistent and accurate. I guess the term junk ammo is subjective.
My LCP also had no trouble digesting Corbon PP (20 rounds - hardly a sample
) but that now adds another HP ammo with no issues.
I still like the Golden Sabers but the Corbon PP seemed to have more bite than the DPX did.
My LCP also had no trouble digesting Corbon PP (20 rounds - hardly a sample
) but that now adds another HP ammo with no issues.I still like the Golden Sabers but the Corbon PP seemed to have more bite than the DPX did.
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