LEA: 1 have the ability to carry open, civilian have to choose to legally conceal and format to weight and size.
The 9mm is a significantly more powerful round than the .380, and there's virtually no difference in size and weight amongst the "pocket" models intended for concealed carry. Because of their blowback design, the .380's recoil is no lighter. Plus the fact that .380 ammo is noticeably more expensive than 9mm.
All of which means there's no intelligent reason to carry the .380 for self-defense.
Some U.S. and European LEO's , as well as LEO and civilian handgun instructors, refer to the .380 disparagingly as the "poodle shooter" or "pea shooter".
I'll take their word, as well as that of internationally renown defensive handgun experts like Massad Ayoob, over that of internet "experts" who make the false claim the .380 is a "reliable" manstopper.
2 Are in the line of danger everyday, which I would think permits them to carry a better caliber. (Why not 45acp then back to your arguement)
But they're not involved in shootouts every day. The average LEO will go his entire career without being involved in a shooting situation. Just like LEO's, I carry a sufficient round for what MIGHT happen.
It's common sense to be prepared with a round that will get the job done, which means nothing smaller than a 9mm in semi-autos, and a .38 Special in revolvers. The 9 and .38 are considered the BARE MINIMUM in self-defense use, by the vast majority of LEO and civilian handgun instructors.
3 You need to go back and read your states CCW response and responsibility to use deadly force. Which is 10 feet or less.
You need to worry about the law in your state, and let me worry about the law in mine.
In my state, you can use deadly force at up to 21 feet. Even more if somebody happens to be aiming a gun or other deadly projectile firing weapon at you. There's also no duty to retreat while in your home in my state.
4 It's 12 feet not 21 feet that an average person is not able to draw from a holster and fire a shot.
As usual, you're dead wrong. I saw a training video on Youtube just the other day, showing individuals being overpowered before they could draw, at TWENTY ONE FEET.
5 No one plans or I at least hopes not to get into a gun fight, but how many times do we all run out the door without some form of protection??
If you run out the door without protection, that's your own lack of thought and discipline.
Better safe than sorry. I don't plan on having a major medical emergency any time soon either, but I still pay for an excellent health insurance plan. If you carry only a .380 for self-defense, you are definitely UNDER insured.
6 BB 380 +P round is new and I nor anyone else has any data on this round.
Common sense should tell you to never bet your life on something that hasn't proven itself in real life situations.
7 Would you volunteer to allow someone to shoot you center mass with a 380. Please feel free to let us know so we can see just how ineffective the 380 round really is.
Your statement is utterly irrelevant.
Because I possess common sense, I'm not going to stand there and let somebody shoot me with even a BB pistol or a slingshot.
So your childish dare does absolutely nothing to prove that the .380 is a reliable manstopper, which it most certainly isn't.
when the need to respond to defend your life comes into play????????????????? Are you kidding me???????? No I am not talking about firing 10 rounds into someone, but I think 2-3 rounds has been proven to be accurate in real defense incounters. (Who ever heard of 1 stop shots anyway) (They are out there, but that's because the person has either passed or has fled the scene)
