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.380: Which would be a nice carry gun?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by girl shooter, Jan 8, 2010.

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  1. girl shooter

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    I traditionally carry a S&W 38 revolver. But I have a Sig Mosquito and a Taurus PT-22 pistol.

    I was looking for a nice carry .380, that will not recoil too much. I tried a Ruger .380 at the range but it has a bit too much recoil. Is there a small .380 that does not recoil as bad as a Ruger?

    Maybe one that is made of metal would be better for me. Weight is not a problem, It will be in my purse.
     
  2. rellascout

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  3. 1KPerDay

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    If weight isn't a problem, get a 9mm or larger, IMO. Whatever quality brand pistol fits your hand and you shoot well. .380 is great for pocket guns, but if you've got the room, why not use a more effective caliber?
     
  4. mesinge2

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    If your set on a .380 the Walther PPK/s is smallish and weighs enough to tame recoil.

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    Also, the Bersa Thunder 380 (a copy of the PPK) is reliable and about half the cost of the Walther

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  5. Girodin

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    The Mustang/Sig 238 is a better shooter with significantly less perceived recoil than the LCP, yet it is still rather small. The Sig is much less expensive than the Colt Mustang which is no longer made so it is the more logical choice. The Sig is easier to shoot well because it is slightly heavier, easier to get a firm grip on, and has much better sights. It is more expensive than the Ruger LCP but a nicer gun in lots of ways.

    Another choice if size is really of no concern is the Bersa thunder .380. They are good reliable guns and not very expensive. They are very similar to the Walther PPK but roughly half the price. They are notably bigger than the above mentioned guns. If you want something that big then it might be worth looking at some 9mm pistols that are not much bigger to see how you like them.

    For a small 380 that is a pleasure to shoot I would get a Sig 238. I have never shot the Kahr P380 and cannot comment on it but it is probably a product that is at least worth looking into.

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  6. dairycreek

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    If .380 is your ammo choice and recoil is of concern let me recommend a CZ 83 for your consideration. The pic is of my CZ 83 with its FIST #1 holster and, for me, it is simply an ideal carry combo. With double stack mags it offers a solid amount of ammo and is a dream to shoot because it is a little heavier and really tames recoil a lot.

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  7. mesinge2

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    I have no experience with one and it is a bit pricey for a pocket pistol but the Micro Desert Eagle is smaller than the ruger and is all metal.

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    I carry a BDA but I have big hands, my second choice would be a SIG 232.
     
  10. scoutsabout

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    +1000 on the Sig P238

    Got one for the wife, and one for me, and ditched the two Ruger LCP's. We are extremely satisfied with the Sigs.
     
  11. Guns and more

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    Girl, (may I call you by your first name?):
    I'd agree with Girodin and look at the Sig 238. Mine is exactly like his picture (rosewood edition) but here's the best part: It's fun and easy to shoot. Recoil is minimum, way less than my Kahr PM-9 (a fine gun). The slide is easy to rack. (Unlike many small guns, Kahr included). Mine is totally reliable. I purchased additional magazines fromTop Gun Supply and they are identical to the stock.
    It looks good.
    I'd use a pocket holster that covers the trigger and safety, and keep it loaded.
    I wish it were D/A, S/A but it is S/A only, so you decide; loaded with the safety on, or full magazine and I can rack the slide before I shoot.

    I have a nice collection of firearms, and the baby Sig is my current favorite.
     
  12. girl shooter

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    :eek::eek: Thank you to everyone for your replies. I might get two, I like the sig (it looks like my son's defender) and the CZ 83.

    I have never heard of the CZ 83, would a gun shop know how to order one?


    And you can call me girl all you want ;)
     
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    I second the CZ83 recommendation. I have one and like it better than any Walther PPK/S I've owned.

    It's all steel. So it has some weight. Recoil, though still snappy, is more manageable that with lighter blowback pistols.

    It's a bit big for a .380. The upside is that it is extrmely comfortable to grip. The trigger is wide and smooth. You get good control of this pistol. Yet still small enough to easily conceal.

    It holds a lot of ammo (14 rounds), and comes with a spare magazine.

    It has nice, visible sights. There is some glowing paint on them so they are easier to see on low-light situations.

    It disassembles very easily.

    CZ's customer service is stellar.

    CZ produces the best owners manuals. Lots of color cutaways, pictures, and clear instructions.

    It's as accurate a .380 as you will find. Reliable, too.

    And last, its inexpensive. You can get them brand new for around $400.

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    Girl Shooter,

    You might want to qualify some of your requirements.

    How many rounds do you expect the pistol to carry counting the one in the pipe? 5-8-10-13 + one in the pipe??
    You indicated that weight is not a problem; what about size??
    Type of trigger SA - DA - SA/DA??
    Safety or safety/decocker??
    Ability to have night sights added/up graded??
    Chambered round indicator??
    Fire or no fire with clip removed??
    Is cost of significant importance?

    Having asked the above, I will say that my CC is a Beretta M84FS 380/13 Nickel. The picture would be the same as rellascout's.
    P.S.: It carries 14.
     
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    My wife got me a Sig 232 for our anniversary this year and I am extremely happy with it. I have shot one before, and was quite impressed with it compared to my other experience with 380; my Dad's Grendel. I always liked the grendel, but it had ridiculous recoil and was not very accurate (at 7 yrds, it would hold a 3-4 inch group, about 3 inches low and left of aim). The rental P232 I shot before had very mild recoil (it had the hogue grips) and seemed to be quite accurate. The one I now own can hold 6 inch groups at 25 yrds, 1.5 inch groups at 11 yrds, and gets single hole groups at 7 yrds if I am on my game. It is small enough to conceal fairly easily, but big enough to get my whole hand on (and I have very large hands). I think it is pretty ideal as far as smallish semi-auto handguns go. If you like the PPK, you might just like the P232 even more. If you want smaller, there are other options (like the P238) or if you want cheaper, there are other good ones (like the bersa) but I would definitely consider the P232 if I were looking for this type of gun. My wife made an incredibly good decision picking this one for me.

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  17. Tooquick11

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    I own a kahr p380 and it is very light on recoil. Even with quality hollow points the recoil is more than manageable. My p380 goes everywhere with me (my xd is starting to get jealous). It is very well machined, fits the hand nicely, and extremely accurate.
     
  18. mbr

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    The Bersa is often suggested as a best-buy .380.
     
  19. 6x6pinz

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    I would also suggest the new Walther PK380. A little larger but the recoil is almost non existent. My wife and daughter both shoot mine as one of their favorites and I am very impressed with the accuracy out of a pistol I picked up just for some fun shooting.

    Still for a purse gun I almost always suggest a revolver, too much debris in a purse to guarantee an auto will operate correctly when needed.
     
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    I'll also endorse the CZ82 but I'd go for the CZ83 in 9x18 mak round instead. Same gun and mag but the makarov round has a bit more punch. The CZ also has one of the highest round counts in a small pistol 12+1, ambi mag release and safety, double action with decocker/safety. [​IMG]
     
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    Capacity is why I recommend the 84FS 13+1 in a very small very controllable package.
     
  22. Blues Brother

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    Beretta, Browing BDA, and Ruger LCP are all great choices. the LCP is the best for concealed carry, but not much fun to shoot for target. its a SD gun and thats it.
     
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    The very similar CZ 82 can usually be purchased through aimsurplus.com or J&G sales for between $169 and $220 (used). I believe the 82s are chambered in 9x19 Mak only, vs .380 in the 83s.
     
  24. bigmike45

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    Well I never thought I would own a .380 handgun when I carry a 9mm that is smaller than some 380's, but the wife picked one up the other day that she really liked. Now she has shot my 9mm Browning Hi Power, didnt like it, my 9mm Para Ordnance Commander and didnt like it either. She really didnt like my PF-9 Keltec or my P-11 for how uncomfortable they are for her to shoot. She shoots her 2" SP-101 all day and is deadly with it, but wants a semi-auto as well. The Walther PK-380 fit her hand perfectly and she loved the trigger as well, especially the single action pull. I picked one up today for her for Christmas and am going to take it home and clean it up and head to the range as soon as the weather let's up.

    My first impressions of the gun were actually better than I expected. I have never owned a Walther and have heard great things about the PPK's but this is not a PPK. The fit and finsh were done very well. I might look for a two tone for myself in the future. Everything works but I do not like having to use the key for slide removal. If it gets lost....well it won't be good. Might end up making a spare from aluminum. It disassembled and reassembled without any problems and it was easy to do so. I cleaned off the fired case residue wiped everything down and relubed the gun. The gun only came with one magazine, the one thing I dislike, but I was able to find a dealer with three new mags so I ordered them all. She likes to shoot but hates to load...LOL.

    Well I was able to sneak to the range late this afternoon. It was foggy, getting dark, and beginning to actually rain....again. The temp was about 52 and the wind was blowing across from left to right at about 5-10mph. I know not ideal for a test but it's not supposed to get any better for the next couple of days, so here goes.

    Since I bought the gun for my wife to qualify for her Texas CHL, I decided to follow the 7, 10 & 15 yard shooting ranges. The gun put 50 rounds downrange, loading 5 at a time as the procedure goes, without one single problem.

    The single action pull was around 4lbs according to my tester. Double was around 10lbs. The sights were dead on but the gun shot a little high when aiming dead center the target at 7 yards. 10 and 15 yards is where the little gun was shooting to point of aim. I tried the safety several times and it is a hammer block system that stops the hammer before it makes contact with the firing pin. Works like a charm. One thing is the gun has no slide release button, so you have to perform the slingshot method, and you have to remove the empty mag to release it when empty. The slide locked back on every empty mag......very nice!!

    I was using Winchester White Box 90gr FMJ which happend to be a flat point jacketed bullet. I was concerned about feeding but it fed like a charm. It ejected all the brass in a neat little circle just to my right, around 24" in diameter. I like that since I plan to reload them and hunting down brass in the dark is no fun. Recoil was almost non-existant which my wife will love. That is one of the things she hates with the 9's I have, but her SP-101 revolver, shooting 145gr Winchester Silvertips draws no complaints. I was able to keep most of the rounds within a 4" grouping and thats just fine for what it is going to be used for. I am sure under different weather conditions the group would be tightened up substantially, especially with her shooting.

    I am really looking forward to seeing her face on Christmas morning when she opens the box with the gun she was really fond of in the gunstore. Here is the target and gun.
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  25. 71Commander

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    Sig P380 vs. the Kahr P380

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