3inch 12gauge 000buck vs external wall of brick house

[memphisjim]

Ok here is a question
if you shot a 3inch 000buck 12gauge shell from the inside of a room at an external wall of a brick house from a distance of 6 feet an 18 inch barrel would it penetrate to the outside?

 

[Floppy_D]

I don't think it would, but there's only one way to know for sure. I've shot at brick before, and I was pretty surprised at how well it held up.

 

[iScream]

They probably haven't tested your specific question but here is a great site for this kind of question in general.

-Chris

 

[Zoogster]

It may crack or shatter the brick but is unlikely to have any energy remaining.

What type of brick? Red ceramic bricks or cinder blocks?

Thick ceramics and thick glass tend to absorb most of the energy from projectiles even if they are destroyed. 000 buck is not very powerful per projectile. The large number of projectiles from such close range (if they hit within a softball size shape) may require replacement of the brick in the wall, but shouldn't penetrate.

The mortar between the bricks is not as resistant as the bricks, but even it should have no trouble withstanding an 000 projectile. Multiple shots in the same area would progressively shatter more of the brick, but a single shot should easily be stopped. Especially a brick that is part of a wall and being supported and held together by the compression and weight of the wall.

 

[memphisjim]

red brick

 

[Charles S]

Agree http://www.theboxotruth.com/ is an excellent site to research this problem.

The answer is the 12 ga at any reasonable distance will not penetrate a brick wall with buckshot.

 

[Zoogster]

Bricks vary tremendously in strength as well. From a mere 1,600 PSI strength to around 15,000 PSI strength.

What is the MPa rating of the Brick?



I did a quick search and found a good reference. It appears the Canadians wanted to know just that question and published the results:

www.claybrick.ca/pdf/cmri_bulletproof_project.pdf


Clay Brick—17.5 MPa
Firearm Direct
.22 Long Rifle -large chip in brick
.223 Remington - large hole in brick
.308 Winchester - large hole in brick
7mm Remington Magnum - large hole in brick
7mm Shooting Times Westerner - through brick to tar paper
.30-06 Springfield - large hole in brick
.375 Holland & Holland - through brick to tar paper


Clay Brick—70 MPa
Firearm
.22 Long Rifle - small chip in brick
.223 Remington - large hole half way through brick
.308 Winchester - large hole in brick
.50 Browning Machine Gun - through wall

Concrete Brick
Firearm Direct
.22 Long Rifle small chip in brick
.223 Remington hole in brick
7mm Remington Magnum large hole in brick
.308 Winchester large hole in brick
.30-06 Springfield large hole in brick

 

[Marlin 45 carbine]

IMO from 6' maybe depending on the strength of the brick and mortar and where the shot hit, maybe hit a stud(s) or firestop(s) and of course sheetrock or paneling.
as a state licensed building superintendent I can say for sure that beyond 6' very doubtful.

 

[JWF III]

How old is the house? (A clue to the type of construction.)
Are the bricks solid or hollow?
Are the walls sheetrock, plaster, wood, tile or block?
Are the exterior walls insulated?
What kind of insulation is used? Fiberglass batts, blown in fiberglass, blown in cellulose, closed cell foam or other.
What were the walls sheathed in? 1x material, 1/2" plywood, 1/2" OSB, nothing

There are too many variables to sufficiently answer the question. Those above do not even get into the quality of labor. There can be huge differences between masons even though it may look the same from the outside.

IF the walls are sheetrocked, with no insulation, with no exterior sheathing, and hollow bricks. And if the mason was a minimum wage illegal that didn't care if it fell or not because he was leaving for home at the end of the week. It might have a chance of knocking a brick or two out. It would all depend on where you hit the bricks in relation to the joints.

Now if you're talking about a 100 year old house, that has lathe and plaster on the walls. The exterior sheathing is pine 1x8s. And the brick are solid, and the house has been updated with the spray in foam insulation. It might have a chance of getting to the brick. But having been in remodeling for many years, and having dealt with plaster often, I don't think (in the situation in this paragraph) it would make it past the sheathing.

So who's going to do the penetration tests?

Wyman

 

[memphisjim]

1/4 or 1/8 inch panel looks like 1/8 inch you know the brown stuff with an indented black line evers 8 inches or so with the pinkpanther insulation between it and the brick im sure they are the 3 hole bricks
house built in the 1950's
testing already done
and yes my father told me the only stupid question is one you already know the answer too
just wanting to hear some educated guesses before i reveal the complete details of my mistake

 

[JWF III]

1/4 or 1/8 inch panel

Typically they would layer that over thin sheetrock to keep the wall thickness the same for doors and windows to fit properly.

Just guessing from typical 50s construction here...
Brick could be either solid or hollow, that was sort of the transition time. I would guess that if solid it wouldn't make it through, but might crack the joints around the impact. But if the 3 hole, it would bust the brick up pretty bad, and some pieces would fall from it. But I don't think it would "Blow a hole straight through it".

Wyman

 

[JohnBT]

Would a shot make it through the brick if you shot from the inside out?

It probably wouldn't get to the brick, not if you were in a bathroom like mine with the tile installed on plaster on metal lath. There's a reason I've never demolished my upstairs bath - too much heavy lifting.

 

[Youngster]

Forget buckshot, even a slug isn't going to do it against brick or any other masonry that isn't totally rotten or damaged.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

So who's going to do the penetration tests?

Gee, sorry, I seem to have misplaced my spare brick house that I bought for shooting up and making intarwebz reports from.

 

[wrs840]

...before i reveal the complete details of my mistake

Well... Please continue.

Les

 

[memphisjim]

oops forgot abolut the thread
sorry
it does not blow through
there is no evidence of anything on the out side of the house

 

[ArmedLiberal]

We want the entire story. And pictures.

AL

 

[memphisjim]

was playing with a loaded gun then boom
i can text a pic on a cell phone but no real way to put one on internet

 

[Steve C]

Typical wall of 8x4x2.25 fired red brick will not be penetrated by rounds from a firearm less than say a 50 caliber. Buckshot will hardly dent it. Know from experience that a .357 mag 158gr JSP factory load from a 6" barreled revolver will barely chip it. You may crack or break in individual brick if you shot it when unsupported but in a structure its much stronger.

 

[gunsandreligion]

I'v shot sidewalk bricks with a 22 it went through them like butter.

 

[Erik M]

I have to ask, did you create this thread before you went outside to see if the wall was penetrated?