3rd Generation S&W's- what is/was the impression?

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Third generation S&Ws semi-autos are splendid pistols. As one member mentioned, they will feed fired cases. Unfortunately, they are too expensive to manufacture to compete with LEO agency contracts and there are too many fine used guns in circulation to support production in the consumer market. Thus, we have the current S&W polymer offerings.

My introduction to pistols, many years ago, was with 1911s and BHPs and the manual of arms of deactivating a frame mounted safety with a downward swipe of the thumb is ingrained. I have never been a fan of slide mounted safety/decockers for serious purposes. However, S&W made several DAO models. Here are a few of mine.

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The single stack, 9mm, compact, DAO 3953 is one of my favorites for CCW.

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Thanks for sharing that family pic muzzleblast :) Very nice.

I have a lone 6904 and it is an enjoyable shooter when taken out. Sold the 3913 but can't say I miss that one though would be nice to have it back again just to compare.
 
I have a 1006 I believe has the little mark of being a FBI test gun. It is amazing accurate and has operated perfectly with the exception of of a session of FTE using some junk wally world range ammo. Its happiest eating silvertips, buffalo bore or cor-bon penetrators and makes for a great woods gun although a little heavy for IWB.
 
While I briefly owned a 469 ("2nd gen") in the late 80's, it wasn't until I was issued one of the early production 5903's that I started to pay a lot of attention to the S&W autoloaders.

I've carried one or another issued 3rd gen model since '90. They've included 5903, 6906, 4013TSW, 4566TSW, 4513TSW & 3913TSW models. When it comes to personally-owned models, I have an 'original' 4513TSW (cutaway grip, 6-rd mags), 3913, CS9, CS45, 4040PD, 4013TSW and a new production 3913TSW.

I've also served as an armorer for the 3rd gen pistols, and have been through the armorer class 4 times.

While I grudgingly carried my first issued 5903 (I traded that earlier 469 off because I didn't care for it), I quickly came to appreciate the rugged reliability of the 3rd gen guns in LE use. They ran, and ran well, with any good quality factory ammo I cared to try, or saw used, over the course of the last 25 years.

Sunshine or freezing wind/rain, they ran ... as long as the users bothered to clean and lube them now and again, and didn't expose the firing pins or extractors to excessive amounts of solvents, CLP's, lubes or greases.

Our supply of spare/repair parts was pretty meager when I joined the armorer staff, but it wasn't often needed in order to keep our 450+ guns up and running. More shooter-induced issues than actual gun issues. After those early 3rd gen's had been in-service for going on 16-20 years, they were replaced with new production TSW's (in 3 calibers). Those gave decent service for several years, until it was decided to transition back to allowing personally-owned weapons (first 3, now 4, approved brands) and new issued plastic guns (M&P's, in 3 calibers). Time marches on.

On the plus side, the M&P's seem to run fine whether dry or lubed, and it's a simpler design to clean (at the user level), as well as maintain and repair, than the 3rd gen's (or some other major brands of metal-framed pistols). No fitting of parts. (The 3rd gen's require fitting of the extractors and sear release levers, which means some gauges nowadays, and an occasional barrel may require some minor fitting of the barrel tab.)

Armorers can be trained faster. Even fewer spare/repair parts will likely be needed, if the M&P's that have been used for T&E, and owned by various range instructors going back to '08, are any indication.

I'll always enjoy the 3rd gen's I've acquired over the years, and consider them to be excellent quality service-type pistols.

Personally, I considered the newest production TSW's ... meaning about the time they were dropped from the commercial catalog and were only occasionally produced for LE orders from existing S&W agency customers ... to be capable of being compared to any of the SIG Classic Series TDA pistols in both reliability, practical accuracy and overall functioning. (I've been trained as a SIG Classic series pistol armorer, too, and have handled/fired my fair share of SIG's, starting from when they were first imported as BDA's, up to the latest of them.)

S&W never seemed to be overly interested in 'dolling up' their 3rd gen's, nor make them finely finished and pretty ... but they worked. ;)

Just my experience and thoughts.
 
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My dad gave me his 5906 when CT decided the magazines were too dangerous for citizens to own. The thing is a tank. I never knew they were such great guns. I picked up a 1076 shortly after.

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My impression of my 1006 is now what it's always been: big, heavy and strong. Also reliable, powerful and very precise as to bullet placement so long as I do my part.

Every time I get it out I hear Marty Robbins singing "Big Iron"; that's exactly what it is.
 
S&W 1075... is that a 10mm DA/SA without the external safety, just the decocker?

Drool.
1076, actually. ;)

Yes, the FBI specified a frame mounted decocker instead of the slide mounted. It's longer barreled brother is the 1026.

I really don't like the slide mounted safety/decocker on my 5906 at all- it feels like it's in the way and it operates backwards from the 1911 safety.

Still looking for a 4526 to go with.
 
There is definitely a following of people who like the 3rd gen Smiths - I think they're more popular now than when they were being produced.

I never cared for the flip-up safety.
 
I really like my 3913. On the look out for stainless .45 to go with it like a 4566.

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I have a 1076 and would not part with it for th world. Upside it is built like a tank. Downside,it carries like a tank
 
* * * Upside it is built like a tank. Downside, it carries like a tank.

Yes, but like a tank, the 1076 is both reliable and deadly.

Yes, ... and heavy too. :scrutiny:
 
I agree that a good holster helps, I use a Safariland with my 1076. However at the end of the day you know that you were not carrying a pocket pistol.
 
I had three: 457, 457s and 469. Reliability is on par with best plastic framed stuff. The trigger pulls were not very good and guns shown signs of use after relatively few rounds fired. By comparison out of box Glock has better trigger and if shot same amount of rounds as Gen 3 S&W shows almost no wear.
 
I have a Don Hume pancake holster for my 1076 and it does a LOT to make that beast feel lighter. I can carry it all day comfortably.

+1 I use a DH pancake for my 4566 and it's weight becomes a non issue.
 
As much as I love the 3rd Generation Smith autos, let's not forget there was a 2nd Generation as well, and too many people, I think, forget that the 2nd Generation was the “magic“ one -- the one in which all the problems of the 1st Gen were straightened out and put to bed. I remember wanting a Model 59 because of its beauty and its capacity; however, it had a horrible reputation as a jammamatic. People said Smith & Wesson made great revolvers, but lousy autos. Others said they worked okay with round nose ammo, but that you had to experiment to get a JHP to work. But when the second gen was announced, reviews were overwhelmingly positive. At that point I had saved my pennies and had decided on a Beretta 92 (before the military trials). I loved the Beretta, which was flawless in form and function. But alas, with the military trials and the adoption of the Beretta, the price of the Beretta shot up so high that I sold it for a nice profit. Then it happened. Two magic words were added to the Smith offering: “stainless steel.“

It was what I'd been waiting for! Now it had everything. Quality, beauty, reliability, hi-capacity and availability. And it was stainless steel! But was it accurate? Well, it wasn't a Colt Gold Cup, but it managed to group its shots. When the 5906 came out it, too, was a winner, but it didn't eclipse the 659 any more than the 4506 eclipsed the 645. In fact, I liked the 659s far better than I did the final iteration of the 5906, with its black plastic hammers and triggers and two-tone appearance and sights. So looking back, there's probably not any significant reason to differentiate the 2nd and 3rd generations. The latter is perhaps a smidge more ergonomic than the former, but there's not a whole lot of difference. I do find it amusing that many cop and other shows actually kept up with with updated guns. Characters that used 2nd Gen guns one season actually updated their guns to the 3rd Gen the following season. (I'd like to know the stories behind that!)

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The 3rd Generation of S&W pistols also introduced some decent budget entries, like the Model 457 .45acp (above). It may lack the pizzazz of the 645 (below), but it works with the same flawless reliability.

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This 659 shows why producing such guns is prohibitive today. Steel 1911s are rapidly passing the $1K mark and steel revolvers aren't that far behind them. MiM and plastic parts are holding the line (for now), but one day fine steel autos may, like the old German Luger, fall into obscurity.

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