4000fps Doe Death Ray

[toledo]

I'm going to do a side bar here as no one has said anything about it. Why are you using a suppressor and not just a muzzle brake or similar?

I don't see the need to have one and it will affect your accuracy. Also at the speeds the bullets are leaving your barrel, again, don't see the need/expense that's added.

With the exception of antique guns, I don't shoot anything unsuppressed anymore. Tinnitus, hearing damage, plus a vestibular disorder has me protecting whats left.

Its a light weight hunting can that doesn't seem to hurt accuracy and im fine with whatever loss.

Once you get used to shooting without the bomb detonating beside your head its hard to go back.

It also helps keep neighbors out of my business.

 

[Mk-211]

Ok, just asking, have no hearing in my left ear and wear double hearing protection myself.

Does it really cut down that much with the can on it, when your loads are that powerful?

 

[toledo]

Ok, just asking, have no hearing in my left ear and wear double hearing protection myself.

Does it really cut down that much with the can on it, when your loads are that powerful?

Barrel length helps a lot. This can is louder on my 16" 308 than it is on this gun. Even when the setups have a pretty good pop to them, it eliminates all of the concussion. Think 22 mag on the louder setups and 22lr on the quieter.

 

[hso]

If you see something I could do better, feel free to share.

The only thing I could wish for would be more excellent write-ups like you've done here. Outstanding job.

 

[Mk-211]

Very nice, would like to be able to get a can here in CA.

 

[Telum Pisces]

What range are we talking about. My 45-70 at 1500 FPS will knock the mess out of a deer with a 405 grain lead flat nose! It penetrates in and out with great blood everywhere also. So speed is not everything if you don't need distance.

 

[dh1633pm]

I like speed myself, but use the 45-70 for the same reason you are using speed. Different methods, same result. My 45-70 drops them dead. I do like where your going and your write up was excellent.

 

[Varminterror]

Why are you using a suppressor and not just a muzzle brake or similar?

I don't see the need to have one

Try not to let your judge mental fudd-ism spill onto other people.

it will affect your accuracy.

It won’t. A suppressor will often shift POI, but quality cans very rarely, as in to say effectively “do not ever,” negatively impact accuracy, and have just as much likelihood to IMPROVE accuracy as degrade it. You learned something new today.

Also at the speeds the bullets are leaving your barrel, again, don't see the need/expense that's added.

Again, enough with the Fudd stuff. Peeling down the damaging muzzle blast to hearing-safe levels, especially when hunting where in-ear hearing protection is seldom used, is important. Many of us live with tinnitus simply from hunting without hearing protection, and many of us prefer to preserve what we have left. My suppressors have all cost far, far less than the value of my hearing - or that of my son.

 

[WestKentucky]

I have a box of TSX 7mm and all I can use them for is 7-30 waters. Seems like I might need to ease right up to sniffing distance of nuclear loads to get performance out of that bullet. That’s fine, I run hot rounds regularly, but wasn’t expecting to run that hot in my contender.

 

[toledo]

Blood and Gore Warning!!!






Had a friend over from Louisiana for some freezer filling with this setup.

You know they can't get far from their bud light.



125 yard shot. Dead in her tracks. Initial inspection shows entrance a little forward in to the brisket. Obvious broken far side shoulder but no exit.



The wound was catastrophic. Ive never seen anything like it. Bullet made impact with the dense sternum and made a mess of the whole area. Then blew out the far side shoulder and stuck in the skin.



More props to Speer for making a bullet that can impact dense bone at extreme speed while rapidly expanding and still holding together.

 

[troy fairweather]

Did you see the sole leave the deer after it was shot lol.

What speer bullet again?, I can't believe it stayed together even if it was bonded or not. I'd start going for neck shots.

 

[Orcon]

Incredible! Those gold-dots do some work.

 

[toledo]

Did you see the sole leave the deer after it was shot lol.

What speer bullet again?, I can't believe it stayed together even if it was bonded or not. I'd start going for neck shots.

The 90 grain gold dots made for the 6.8spc.

I shot a young doe in the high neck. It was mostly unremarkable with the bullet not having enough time to do much. I have a lot of guest hunt with me and dont expect them to make neck shots. Really hoping this combo results in little to no tracking. After this years archery and youth season, I had enough tracking to last me a while.

 

[Hog huntin Harry]

I myself wouldn't go for neck or head shots, too easy to accidentally hit the esophagus or jaw.

 

[Walkalong]

And I assume you broke out the beer after a successful hunt and after the ammo was put away.

 

[toledo]

I recently got to put this round to the ultimate test. Mature buck square in the shoulder. About 50 yards. At the shot, I was surprised he made it about 10 yards. Not that it really matters.

Broken near side shoulder.



Entrance center of shoulder. Very little initial damage.



Things got violent after hitting shoulder bone. After removing the first shoulder, there was a softball size hole half way through the chest cavity. Multiple riibs, lung, everything just simply gone.



Bullet settled down and exited through the meat of the far side shoulder(no bone). Notice the bleeding a loooong ways from the bullet path. When I removed the tenderloins, the lower body cavity was full of blood from the shock.



Bullet recovered in the skin.

 

[wombat13]

Looks like the gold dots are working for you. Why did you choose to use them over the TTSX?

 

[troy fairweather]

Looks like the gold dots are working for you. Why did you choose to use them over the TTSX?

There half the cost or more, but I think I'd try the mono as well.

 

[BigBlue 94]

I only have one truly "overbore" rifle/cartridge. It is a .228 Ackley with a bit over 400 documented rounds through it. The throat already looks bad enough that I am afraid to fire it anymore - it is a family heirloom that doesn't need to be ruined by the likes of me. I believe your cartridge should be less abusive than the .228, but maybe not by much. I think if you get 750 rounds out of a barrel you should consider yourself lucky.

Where do you find .228 bullets? I have a 22 savage HP that shoots the same .228 bullet.

OP: my pops and I have hunted kansas white tails with a 243 loaded with 75gr HPBTs at about 3500 fps. The deer drop. Unless i hit em in the spine, which blew completely apart and the buck jumped straight up then fell to the ground.

 

[rocirish]

Most of the pictures on this thread show way more damage than I an willing to tolerate on a meat animal. You don't have to ruin half the meat to make a clean kill.

 

[.38 Special]

Where do you find .228 bullets? I have a 22 savage HP that shoots the same .228 bullet.

I don't. I have a few boxes of Barnes bullets left, and I'm sure that is all I will ever need. In the unlikely event that I ever get serious about the cartridge, I imagine I will have to make bullets myself.

 

[roo_ster]

Howdy:

Great write-up by the OP and I see the method works. Gotta love it when a project comes together. I think that the newer premium mono and bonded bullets make the super-high-velocity method more likely to work, what with larger bits staying together to keep on driving through. If it were less onerous legally and cheaper I also would have a suppressor for every non-antique/non-collectible rifle I could afford to so equip. Used them in the service and like them a lot.

The rather impressive wounds look quite similar to those caused by my .375H&H running 270gr round nose softs on medium sized game. No hog or deer I have ever shot with one of those has gone anywhere. And I lost a shoulder on one hog, sure enough. I use it for the same reason as the OP: I don't want to track through thick underbrush. The answer is a CNS shot with about any centerfire round or a thoracic cavity shot with something that dumps the heart & lungs on the ground beside the animal. The latter shot is easier to make.

 

[tactikel]

.220 Swift. My Dad's buddy used one for deer in the '50s. The deer Dad witnessed hit dropped " like they were struck by lightning". All neck shots.
.22 cal got a bad rap for deer thanks to the .22 hornet. Poachers loved it because it was quiet and cheap. The Deer suffered.

 

[wombat13]

Most of the pictures on this thread show way more damage than I an willing to tolerate on a meat animal. You don't have to ruin half the meat to make a clean kill.

As member Art Eatman used to say, the easiest way to not ruin meat is "don't shoot them in the eating parts."