.410 cleaning

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I bought a .410 NEF pardner, off a friend, and I need a brush to clean.
Here's the problem, the barrel has a very tight choke.

Will I mar a .40 caliber brass brush if I force it through the choke?

I have a nylon 9mm brush that came with my glock, will that work?
 
kits generally have stuff you don't want or need

this might be a time for a boresnake, generally I point out that a boresnake doesn't do anything to clean the moving parts of the gun, but a single shot break action shotgun doesn't need much cleaning other than the bore, now does it? You'll still want a basic patch pusher/puller and a brush for the initial sweep through the bore, but a snake might be the ticket for such a simple gun, coupled with an occasional clean/inspect of the action.

Some rod and a couple brushes, perhaps a selection of patch sizes and thicknesses and a brass jag in any bore size you use ... and some basic solvent/oil/grease ... and a spray-can of CLP ... and compressed air ... and an old toothbrush

that's pretty much all you'd need for basic rifle-shotgun/handgun maintenance, nothing you couldn't get at a well-stocked Wally World, except maybe the jags and anything beyond basic patches

the only KIT I've ever been glad I bought was one from Otis, where everything gets dragged through the barrel on a flexible cable ... the kits are expensive and I end up using mostly just the cable out of them, I even punch holes in my own patches most of the time
 
I never use brush or any chemicals to clean a smooth bore barrel. If you go to www.aiptactical.com and click on the red link "Install and cleaning you will see a cleaning polishing rod and instructions on how to clean that barrel. Run it through the barrel dry. The steel wool will not hurt the barrel and as it spins though it heats up the metal and pulls all that mess out of the pores. I use a 3/8th hard wood dowl for my .410
 
I was gonna say!

Even Wallyworld sells .410 bore brushes I betcha.

If you just gotta use a standard bore brush, use a .45 Cal one.

It is closer to a .410 chamber & bore then a .40 cal brush.

rc
 
Did not say there was anything wrong with using a brush. However, the home made rod I use works better. Here is why. A shotgun barrel is a smooth bore barrel. Brushes are for rifled barrels to get into the rifleing. the rod I make has more surface contact then any brush. The pores in your barrel are very small and when shooting the barrels heats up, the pores expand and all that mess gets in the pores. Your brush does not heat up the barrel. My cleaning/Polishing rod heats up the barrels and opens the pores and the steel wool pulls all that mess out of there. The barrel will look like a mirror inside after you clean it. You will see all that mess on the steel wool and when the steel wool starts to get dark looking you simply change it.

So, if you want your "SMOOTH BORE" barrel clean this is the best way bar none. I clean hundreds of barrels a year and none have any extraction issues or any other issue.
 
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Sorry but MY bores are chrome lined so your point is moot to me as nothing gets into the pores - and even in a bore where it isn't chrome lined, it doesn't make much of a difference - all you are cleaning out of a shotgun bore is possibly some plastic fouling, not embedded copper
 
barrel leading

The only time I've had any lead deposits in a 410 is shooting the 2", 9 gram 410 loads from Gamebore (Kent Cartridge). I don't believe the plastic wad completely covers the shot but easily scrubbed out with a brush. Nice little hunting load.
 
I never use brush or any chemicals to clean a smooth bore barrel. If you go to www.aiptactical.com and click on the red link "Install and cleaning you will see a cleaning polishing rod and instructions on how to clean that barrel. Run it through the barrel dry. The steel wool will not hurt the barrel and as it spins though it heats up the metal and pulls all that mess out of the pores. I use a 3/8th hard wood dowl for my .410
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The idea certainly sounds good, though I am afraid polishing the bore in this manner will strip any protective coating. Id hate to have my bore rust and am not really expecting top performance out of this gun. unless you can convince me otherwise, (and i'd like you to try) Im probably just going to get a .410 brass brush, to loosen the gunk, and toss it when its nu-useable

Or is rust a non-issue as long as I keep it oiled.

p.s. also I don't have a drill is it possible or worth it to do this technique by hand?
 
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There is no protective coating as that is bare metal in there. You can oil it after you clean it. I leave mine dry as I shoot often, but if you where not shooting on a regular basis you simply spray some oil in the barrel then run a wad of paper towel down it to spread the oil and remove excess.

It works best with a drill as heating up the barrel some really get the mess out. However, yes it can be used like a plunger back and forth. If you are not shooting a lot that method will work as well as anything else.
 
That is verry suprising to me that it is bare metal, I assumed it was blued on the inside as well, my thought process was: "well i wouldnt scrub the outside untill a mirror sheen"

Sounds good to me. ill give it a shot. my other concern was for the full fixed choke, any input on that?
 
After reading around on some other sites, im getting the impression that AI&P's method is wholely unnessicary for general cleaning, i may get ahold of a drill an do it once, or every so often, though otherwise i will simply use steel wool and a dowel as a free cleaning rod, as i alredy have both. i also realize i wont damage my choke whatever i do, and im no longer worried adout ruining a brush or any other tool, they are easily replaceble
 
By chance I just used my .410 yesterday to dispatch a Woodchuck. Hated to but he had dug under a retaining wall and was damaging property. Thousands of acres of land around here and these little guys love to dig under structures. And yes, I cleaned it like on my web site to those guys with the flip comments.

Mine has a full choke and I only shoot shot from it. If you post the question about slugs through a full choke you will get a 50/50 split of the guys that say yes and those that say no. I only shoot slugs through a Modified as it stablizes the slug best of all the chokes. I really have no opion of shooting slugs through a full as it may very well be a hold over from older weapons. I can not imagine how a .410 slug from a full choke could be a problem and getting a box and seeing how your model does with slugs is the best way to find out. It will handle all .410 shot very well.
 
The pores in your barrel are very small and when shooting the barrels heats up, the pores expand and all that mess gets in the pores. Your brush does not heat up the barrel. My cleaning/Polishing rod heats up the barrels and opens the pores and the steel wool pulls all that mess out of there.
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does ANYONE really think that whirling a wad of steel wool in their barrel will heat it up nearly as much as shooting does?
 
? Polish an otherwise undamaged shotgun barrel with an electric drill?
Use a wad of steel wool on a wood dowel for regular cleaning?

A standard cleaning kit for your .410 is pretty inexpensive.
A few passes with a bronze brush will loosen any fouling. A few patches with something like Hoppe's #9 will finish cleaning, and maybe use a .410 swab to give it a coat of good gun oil between uses.
 
Yes bigfatdave. I don';t just think, I know it is the best method. Simple, fast and effective. And there are Thousand of shotguns owners that use it and if you go to your search engine and enter the words "custom tactical shotgun" you will see that I am very easy to find at number one on the world wide web and tens of thousand of hits over the years has generated a lot of e-mails from shotguns all over the world thanking me for this simple procedure. This includes other Certified Law Enforcement Armorers like me who work on these weapons every day. And even some Alpha-bet soup Agency types who are armorers for thier teams.

What's up with this forum. I post a very good procedure. If you don't want to use it then don't but some you guys are getting down right flip. Is that what THR is about? Why can't you simply post that you don't use this or recommend it? If you can prove it is incorrect then do so but all you offer is innuendo, not facts. Also, please list your qualifications on these weapons so readers can evaluate the value of your information. This helps guys know what to try and what not to. If you can convince them not to with facts you have helped them. And that is what a forum is about. Helping guys with questions.

This thread is going south fast and I will not reply further. So for those reasonable enough to try something and looking for the best way to clean a smooth bore barrel, give it a try and if you don't like it then don't use it.
 
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What cheese would you like with your whine? Get a grip
cleaning a 410 is a no-brainer - run a bore snakes, use a brass or bronze brush in a rod in a drill with some Hoppe's or similar

Don't go getting all would up and trying to make this more than it needs to be and don't get peed off when folks call your OCD methods a little over the top
 
"What's up with this forum."

Nothing at all. You might have a fine procedure, but you come across as a pushy knowitall when you insist it's the only way and the right way, etc. It's not.

Me? I've been cleaning shotguns since the 1950s and like my way. I use a brass brush wrapped with a patch with some cleaner on it. Now that shotgun shells have plastic wads/shotcups in them I use a little stronger cleaner than way back when, but it doesn't take any time at all to get the crud out.

John
 
I was not going to comment again but John, your post is worthy of comment. At no time was I anything but factual and professional. I give information to those who ask question. Since they asked, they want and need the information.

You have been doing this longer then me and I assume on a professional level as I have, so, you don't need the info. I see you have over 12,000 post and may have a sence of ownership here. As a new member I have the rights to post as much as you or any other person here. I gave facts and have not violate the rules in anyway. When a new member comes along with some knowledge it is common for some guys to protect their rice bowl. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King and on some of these blogs that means these guys have been the ones giving the answers and they don't like it when someone with more knowledge comes along and gives input. It is common on forums and is not a problem for me. I give the right answer every time and right from the horses mount as my knowledge comes from a life time of doing this professionally and from sitting in class at Ilion being taught by men who have forgot more about shotguns then I will ever know. It is there for those who want and need it. You don't need it John as your method works very well for you. You have about 20 years on me on this topic and I will be attentive to your post to get as much of your knowledge as I can. That is why we come here.
 
AI&P i hope i have not. come off as rude, your posts have helped me alot. from this thread and others around i have come to realize that the cleanliness of a shotguns bore is not nearly as important as in a rifle. I didnt mean that your method was useless, when i said it was un-nesicary i understand it is best. What i meant was i am ok with not doing it every time, mostly as i have no drill.
thank you for your input and do your best to ignore the armchair operators. in general if they arent trying to have the biggest e-peen, then they are usually exhibiting poor reading comprehinsion.
 
When someone writes they're a professional and then starts talking about cleaning out the "pores" in a Steel barrel, that raises a lot of eyebrows.
 
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