410 Derringer You Bet

[ChuteTheMall]

A friend had one of the Cobray or FMJ .45/410 models about a decade ago. He foolishly left it on his coffee table, and in the wee hours of the morning his stupid drunken roommate came home, and fired it. Some cheap bird shot.

From a distance of less than 10 feet, it hit the cheap plastic venetian blinds covering the glass patio door.
The glass was not even scratched, the thin plastic blinds were not perforated but it did leave many little marks, like pencil dots, some of which dented the plastic.

Like throwing 1/8 teaspoon of sand, pretty worthless IMHO.

I fired .45 colt thru it at the range once, that wasn't fun.

 

[nonseven]

The new Federal load, with faster burning powder, could be a real improvement for a 410 self defense load. If you want a derringer, I suggest the Bond, due to the high quality and barrel/caliber changing ability. Of all the guns I have, it's the most fun to shoot.

 

[MCgunner]

A friend had one of the Cobray or FMJ .45/410 models about a decade ago. He foolishly left it on his coffee table, and in the wee hours of the morning his stupid drunken roommate came home, and fired it. Some cheap bird shot.

From a distance of less than 10 feet, it hit the cheap plastic venetian blinds covering the glass patio door.
The glass was not even scratched, the thin plastic blinds were not perforated but it did leave many little marks, like pencil dots, some of which dented the plastic.

Like throwing 1/8 teaspoon of sand, pretty worthless IMHO.

I fired .45 colt thru it at the range once, that wasn't fun.
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I do not doubt this. I have a Contender with a 10" .410 barrel. Now, this barrel is a lot of fun and I highly recommend it for fun, but powerful it ain't. I was down at my place one day with my .22 revolver plinking at an old leaf blower I had trashed. .22 was passing through the hard plastic, both sides, with a few stopping on the cylinder and engine cases. I had my .410 Contender with me as it was just a fun outing. I blasted that leaf blower from about 30 feet with a number 7.5 3" load. I have taken squirrel at 25 yards, a rabbit at 17 or so, and birds with this load and number 6 loads. The leaf blower was built of hard, tough plastic and the 7.5 from 30 feet could not penetrate it, just left little dimples. Now, 00 buck might be different, but I'll pass on 7.5s for self defense, I tell ya that! LOL

There are starting to be buckshot rounds available now with powders more appropriate for short barrels, but I'm a show me kinda guy. I'd have to try some penetration tests, maybe chronograph 'em, before I'd trust 'em for defense. I really prefer my 9x19 or my .38 Special, truth be told. .410 is good in a long gun for starting your 8 year old in shotgunning. Actually, I think 28 gauge is superior even for that. I started on an old JC Higgins pump .410.

 

[rogertc1]

duke thoes are some mighty high priced pistols

 

[IMTHDUKE]

ArchAngelCD

It always is an amazement to me...that some people mis quote what a post says and assign to the poster what they want to believe it says.

I said...I owned a Bond Arms...as the OP asked if anyone had experience. I said, I now carry one of the two I posted. I did not say...the OP was wrong or should not carry or own a Bond arms...I could care less what a person chooses to own or carry....whatever cranks you tractor. So amazed.

 

[nonseven]

One day, out of the blue, I threw a clay pigeon 6 feet over my head, aimed my Bond Texas defender with the 2 1/2" 410 barrel loaded with #9 birdshot, pulled the trigger, and pulverized it into 100 pieces. I was surprised and delighted.

Now I'm practicing throwing two in the air, and hitting them with 2 separate shots, cocking the hammer in between. Makes for great fun.

I'm waiting to try the new Federal handgun buckshot loads, and if the velocity is there, I don't think I'd feel completely helpless carrying that little gun so loaded.

 

[MCgunner]

Some BIG claims for this stuff. I know nothing about it other than I'd wanna see it to believe the numbers.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=128246180

 

[nonseven]

000 buck Federal 410 handgun loads just hit Midwayusa.com. I just picked up 4 boxes.

 

[Joe Demko]

A buddy of mine has one of those Cobray derringers. 'Lil b*****d isn't safe to shoot at anything harder than a paper target with .410 shells. Bouncebacks are a real possibility. Believe I'll pass on .410 pistols for self-defense

 

[SGTB802]

I have to add my 2 cents I own a Bond Arms original snake slayer i carry it as a back up to my colt commander. Let me tell u it is a formable fighting gun loaded appropiately i carry 5 pellet buckshot and feel very comfortable staking my life on it yes it is 2 shots and there are lighter gun but i find that with pratice i can take small game in an emergency or in a survival situation u can use shot for birds 4s for squirells buckshot for bigger game and 45 colts or slugs for more presicion watch bob munden video on utube shooting a bond arms

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Originally Posted By IMTHDUKE
I bought and sold quickly a Judge....it locked up on me first time to the range. I have owned a derringer, but as was said...too many limitation and too many better guns to carry. I will go with either of these as I go to the asphalt jungle.

Originally Posted By ArchAngelCD
Both those guns you posted are very expensive and not what the OP asked about. Why is there always someone in every thread who feels the need to tell the OP how wrong they are for wanting a gun other than what you think they should have?

Originally Posted By IMTHDUKE
ArchAngelCD

It always is an amazement to me...that some people mis quote what a post says and assign to the poster what they want to believe it says.

I said...I owned a Bond Arms...as the OP asked if anyone had experience. I said, I now carry one of the two I posted. I did not say...the OP was wrong or should not carry or own a Bond arms...I could care less what a person chooses to own or carry....whatever cranks you tractor. So amazed.

IMTHDUKE,
Really, don't be so thin skinned. Also, you post didn't mention Bond Arms by name, you said you owned a Judge and a Derringer. I had no idea from you post what Derringer you had and then sold because, "too many limitation and too many better guns to carry." So tell me, what did I say that was wrong? You did say a Derringer is not the right gun to carry and the two you posted pictures of are.

 

[Brian Williams]

I don't like the size of the Judge, I wish I still had the Tracker in 45 Colt I had, It was a K/L sized gun with 5 shots of 45 and it handled well but I sold it to fund some other "IDEA", I was pareing down to 357/38 in revolvers.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

At ten feet (the range its meant for ... not 10 -yards-), my 2 1/2 chamber Judge will put all 3 pellets from a 000 Winchester buckshot load clean through 4" of pine, and put all 3 in a pattern about 12" across. That's like 3 hits from a 38 special with each pull of the trigger, plenty enough to be lethal, and more than enough to be "very discouraging".

It's out of a .410 handgun though. It won't act like a .38.