410 Rio Shotshell issue

[Fatdaddy]

Anyone having issues with Rio shotshells?
I finally found the ejector for my Stevens pump 410 that I lost while doing a detailed cleaning in the early 80's. Once I got it all back together the only ammo I could find locally was some cheapo Rio 3" stuff. When I shoot it the brass ejects leaving the plastic hull in the chamber. It does this about every 3 rounds.
Is this a symptom something is wrong other than being cheap shells?

 

[danez71]

Silly questions.....

Are you sure its chambered for 3"

Did you clean it again before you used it since the 80's?

 

[Fatdaddy]

It's chambered for the 3" shells and I did give it a quick patch before shooting it. I didn't look real close at the chamber/throat, I guess there could be some roughness. It shucks the case head right out leaving the plastic shell body....

 

[au_prospector]

I had an issue with RIO .410 3 inch shotshells a few years ago.
The problem was the plastic hull area was fatter than the brass.
That meant for tough extractions with a SxS that had extractors, not ejectors.
Took pictures and emailed them to RIO, who replaced the three boxes I had bought with four boxes new in the mail.

The explanation was too much crimp compressing the shell in the manufacturing process. You could really see it on some of the shells, the plastic was wider or fatter than the high brass.

Not once did I have one separate though, so that is interesting.

 

[Gordon]

I only use Rio #12 shot shells, 12ga and .410 for rats . I have seen people in Awerbuck shotgun and ITTS shotgun classes show up with Rio Ammo (usually 12ga 2 3/4 #6 price leader high brass and Buckshot) and have problems to the point where me and my shooting partner would trade them some real ammo for their crap so they could get thru. so back at home blasting with what ever at clays or shooting the buckshot for plinking using up the Rio ammo it does all kind of different weird stuff like tearing off shell heads during extraction, swelling in chambers and have to be rodded out or plain old duds and hangfires, it brought back unpleasant memories of a Mexican " bird" hunt I got horn swaggled into going to 28 years ago. Rio Shells were supplied and at least I got alibis for the birds I missed . The Mexican answer while they insisted on un jamming my gun (a very nice Remington 12 ga 1100 hundred Skeet gun that never choked on US shells ) was to urge me to have another shot of Reposado

 

[Fatdaddy]

At least I got the old girl back together. I've been looking for an extractor for a Savage/ Stevens 410 pump for 30 years. The 410 variety seems to be a rare bird. I found the missing part in the bottom of my dads homemade gun cabinet wedged in the bottom. It felt like Christmas all over again once I got it back in place and it functioned.

 

[Stony]

I've seen problems with Rio shells working in a Taurus Judge. The rims were undersized compared to other .410's and wouldn't reliably catch the ejector.

 

[Fatdaddy]

I didn't notice it requiring excessive force to work the action which is why it surprised me so much...

 

[jstert]

i gave up on rio: after shooting 5-6 rounds out of my h&R and nef single 410 and 20, the barrel heated enough so they wouldnt eject. no such problem with big box american ammo. i bring a wire coat hanger to use as a ramrod when i must bring rio out to shoot.

 

[243winxb]

Stop shooting it. Try different ammo. The plastic part may stick half way up the barrel. The old Herters 12 ga. all plastic shell would leave the head in the chamber, the rest went out the barrel.

 

[loose noose]

I've got some Rio 3" slugs that work really well in my Mossberg .410 Pump. The only problem I've had with the all plastic shotgun shells, was the old Alcan that came out in the mid 80's in my Remington 1100, especially during dove season where the shooting got really heavy and the barrel would get really hot. I got them for a promotion from a Rod & Gun store I represented, shooting trap, and bird hunting. Never much cared for them as far as pro-longed shooting was concerned. However never had any trouble with the Rio to date, they are cheap especially for .410 loads.