410 Vs 20 Gauge for HD

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due to age, joint and bone problems I can't handle much recoil.
I have a double gauge 410 left from my hunting days loaded with 3 inch #4 bird shot that I can shoot if needed.
I would like a pump shot gun with the extra capacity it would provide me.
The local choice at Wal-Mart is a Mossberg 500 410,20ga,or Remington Express 870 20ga.

Would either the 20 ga Mossberg (I think it is a Bantam or Youth model) or the 870 Express with a Remington low recoil target load or bird shot give me any more stopping power without the extra recoil? or should I get the 410?

I think the 410 is a bantam model or youth model.
I would rather go ahead and get a 12ga with 00 buck but this would probably mean to much recoil.
Thanks for anyones help.
 
Here's a thought, what about a 28ga? Recoil is more like a .410, but MUCH more fun to shoot, and easier to hit with. I think Wal-mart should be able to order the 28ga 870 Express, they have quite an extensive catalog that they can order from.
 
If you can't handle the recoil of #3 buck from the 20, I'd suggest finding some of the 000 5 pellet 3" .410 loads and put it in what you already have. I don't think bird shot is the optimum even at close range. Buck works, penetrates much better. .410 slugs wouldn't be that bad, either, if you can hit with it, but the buckshot loads in the house might be better. .410 slugs from a shotgun shoot a tiny little sub 100 grain pill at .357 magnum energy levels. I've not seen any penetration data on 'em, but would trust 'em over bird shot, but I think the buck shot loads would be superior. .410 ain't gonna kick no matter what you load in it. 20 ga 2 3/4" buckshot loads have a little recoil, not nearly 12 gauge level, but quite a bit more than the .410 and I really think in a house the 5 ball buckshot loads would do the trick and slugs would ruin his day, too.;)

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=170759
 
Thanks guys!
I think the 28ga would be great but I am on a fixed income.

The" 000 5 pellet 3 .410 idea seems good.
I know I can shoot the #4 bird shot 3 inch well.
There are a lot of house break ins going around especially targeting us old people.



I like the Remington 870 20ga but it may have too much kick with buck! was hoping for some (magical) lighter loads with more stopping power and no more recoil than the 410.


Would the Mossberg 500 410 Bantam,Youth or what ever you call it, be a good choice for the 000 5 pellet 3 ?
I am thinking of adding it for backup or using it as primary weapon,wont it hold more than 2 3inch shells in the magazine?
Thanks again.
 
Would the Mossberg 500 410 Bantam,Youth or what ever you call it, be a good choice for the 000 5 pellet 3 ?
I am thinking of adding it for backup or using it as primary weapon,wont it hold more than 2 3inch shells in the magazine?
Thanks again.
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A long, long time ago, late 50s, I had a JC Higgins .410 pump that was made by Mossberg. It held five rounds of 3". I suppose they still do. When I was seven years old, that thing kicked!:D

I can't see why the Bantam wouldn't be a good shotgun for 3" loads and a bit easier to handle indoors. There was a .410 that came out in tacticool version some years ago with this sort of thing in mind, but I cannot remember who made it. Seem to remember it having a pistol grip, though, which would not be desirable to me. I wanna be able to hit something and shooting from the hip ain't the way. I remember reading about it and how effective the buckshot loads were from it (in theory, of course).
 
Don't overlook the Saiga .410. Unconventional, sure- but that doesn't matter. Don't know how they are as far as recoil is concerned, but as a gas-operated semiauto they should be pretty manageable. Only Saiga here at Casa Lapin is a .223, haven't gotten into the shotguns- yet. http://www.fbmginc.com/index.php?pa...ufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 or http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_410.htm

Also available in 20 ga., which might be a consideration for you too. http://www.fbmginc.com/index.php?pa...ufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 or http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_20.htm

lpl/nc
 
Thanks to both of you for the links!
I like the capacity of the Mossberg .410 "home defender and the Saiga was interesting but it mentioned maintenance and not liking certain loads plus needing to learn to shoot often with, which I am limited by my physical condition.
If I can find the Mossberg HD at a reasonable price I may try it.
Would that be your choice over the regular Mossberg 410 Bantam?
I guess I am a little old school and the tactical look seems foreign to me.
Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
I think I will choose either the Mossberg HD 410 or the Mossberg 410 Bantam and hope it will shoot the ammo you recommended.
Thanks to a nice bunch of guys for all the help.
 
Well, with a 19" barrel it wouldn't be THAT much shorter than a Bantam. Mossberg site says the Bantam has a 22" barrel. I prefer a straight fore end to that pistol grip thing. I don't know that the Bantam would be any less effective and you might like the ergos better. Sorta personal decision I reckon, and price and availability would have something to do with it.:D I don't think the "spreader" barrel on the HD is a big deal, frankly. Heck, I'd rather the pattern hit tight, make sure all five shot hit flesh at across the room ranges. Therefore, were I making the decision, I might rather go for the Bantam.

Yeah, that Saiga would definitely require some shootin' with whatever load I chose before I'd trust it. I think the Mossy would be best for function from that standpoint. Once proven with a given load, though, that Saiga would be a pretty impressive defense weapon.
 
I don't care for the looks of the "Home Security" model. I'd be inclined to start with one of these (18.5" barrel) and put an appropriate length stock on it:

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http://www.sb-usa.com/shotshell_pages/buckshot_410.htm

Any place that handles S&B ammo can get their load for you- see http://www.sb-usa.com/where.htm .

It's not bad ammo, I have shot a good bit of their 12 ga. buckshot. Shoot some and you will see why I call it "Smellier and Bellot" though... smells like they use old horsehair furniture stuffing for wads 8^).

You could do worse than a good pumpgun in .410 loaded with 5-pellet 000 buck. Remington made the 870 Express gun in .410 up until a few years ago, not a lot of them left lying around though. Still, if you run across one...

lpl/nc
 
You could do worse than a good pumpgun in .410 loaded with 5-pellet 000 buck. Remington made the 870 Express gun in .410 up until a few years ago, not a lot of them left lying around though. Still, if you run across one...

lpl/nc

Thanks lpl/nc but there is no dealer available near me is there anything brand name near the quality of this load I can buy locally at walmart or a gun shop?
I have always used the old Remington Extra Long Range #4 3inch shells or Western Super X since I was a kid, what a great thought, these shells still will fire after 50 years.
I guess i am due for an ammo upgrade!
Thanks again for your time.
Larry
 
My current HD shotgun is a Stoeger Condor O/U .410. I've patterned 3" 000 5-pellet at 15 yards & got a nice 10" group, dead on target. I'm well satisfied to use this ammo.
 
Thanks again.
One more question and I will quit bothering you.
Is http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=170759
the only place you can purchase the 000 5 pellet 3inch 410 shell or is there something similar I can buy locally?
Thanks again for all your help.
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Oh, no, available at better gun shops and sporting goods stores, that was just an example. I reload and have been buying reloading stuff from Midway for about 20 years. I'm glad I don't know how much money I've given them over that time, would probably get sick. :D
 
Thats great, I will get some tomorrow the good Lord willing!
Appreciate all the help,
Larry
 
I've fired a lot of the .410 5 pellet buck, and I would not be concerned about its stopping power in the least. It tears a big hole, as it stays pretty close together through the full choke on most .410s. If a .410 is what you're most comfortable with, I'd say load it with 3" buckshot rounds and call it good.

gp911
 
Get a gas gun!

If recoil is an issue I would suggest you use a 20 guage 391 or 1100, recoil is very small with those.

If you shoot someone with that peashooter they might get mad and hurt you.

You can get an ounce and an eighth in a 20, only 11/16 in a 3 inch .410

HM
 
Thanks MCgunner and Lee.
I found the Ammo at a local gun shop.
I now feel a little better, with the old 410, loaded with these buckshot, instead of the #4 bird I was using.
Once again I would like to thank you all, for your time and help!
Larry
 
What some of the physically limited are using:

1100 in .410, 28 gauge
870 in .410 and 28 gauge
Model 42 in .410 of course.

SXS in .410 and 28 gauge.

Now, here is the deal. Some of these folks have physical limits as I shared at the beginning , ranging from not NOT having a forearm, missing fingers, blind in one eye, osteoporosis, recovering / have recovered from detached retina, neck, back, shoulder sugeries.

In addition some of these folks are not living alone. Instead the Serious Shotgun is set up for the smaller/ less whole shooter in the house.

A bigger/ whole person can shoot a smaller gun effectively - a smaller shooter/ less whole shooter/ physically limited shoot cannot.

.410, most are using slugs.

.28 gauge, 1/3 , 1/3 , 1/3 mix of Slugs, buckshot or Factory loaded hunting loads.

Ballistic Products for one does make a kit for slugs. I go w-a-y back on this 28 ga slug bit.
28 gauge is .540.
LOTs of proven history with the .54 caliber felling Bison, Buffalo, Bear, Deer and in Wartime.

Gun fit to shooter is always key. Set the gun up for the shooter, pattern and tweak loads.

Scour the paper for Divorce, Parting out, Estate Sales , and as folks are getting ready to have to pay taxes.

Some great deals can be had. Have cash, and act dumb as a brick.
Be ruthless!
My take is, if some kid wants to unload his HS Graduation gift to get a tactical shotgun - lowball and steal it for cash.
Contact the parents / relative if can...
Most Parents IME "Well it will be the last damn time that kid ever gets a gun from this family. Glad to know someone will appreciate and use the 870, (or whatever gun) "

Old Bakails in 28 gauge do right well with buckshot and slug loading...
There is only one recoil pad - Pachmyar Decelarator.

Old boy got two deer with his ....*smirk*

Motto:
Scorch & Burn - find the low spark of high-heeled boys and low ball, act dumb and take theses "great guns" and run.

We comin' for ya! - a grandpa I know. he said it with a real mean smirk and wink too.

Err seems Grandpa [strike] "Scorched & Burned" [/strike] bought a 870 Wingmaster in .410 with two barrels, fixed choke, one being Skeet and the other Mod.
Sitting down? LNIB box, for $325
Fella getting a divorce and needing a gun for 3 gun (so he said)
He will never get another gun from family again...kinfolks made that very clear...

:)
 
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