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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Rusher, Mar 25, 2004.

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  1. Rusher

    Rusher Member

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    Hey guys and gals

    I work at the Wal-mart in gastonia,NC in the sporting goods dept....We just got a new district manager....who claims to have started out in the sporting goods dept......well getting to the point before when potential customer wants to buys a rifle or shotgun we have them fill out the two 4473( asper Wal-Mart policy with carbon paper in the middle.....so they dont have to fill it out twice)......well the new DM says that is not good enough cuz the carbon may fade within the 5 year period that we have to keep them..... so now we have to ask the customer to fill out 2 4473s......i think this is a crock and it will eventually turn away customers........one form can be hard enough to fill out and let alone time consuming so I really think this is and attempt to lower our firearm sales ......so they can justify saying our FFL isnt worth the time and effort and drop the firearm sales all together.........as a customer would this really steam you or just be another Wally-world annoyance that you will deal with for the lower prices ?????????????
     
  2. MacPelto

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    Around here, Wally isn't that much, if any, cheaper than any of a number of other places, so yes, it would drive me off.

    Since you asked....
     
  3. P95Carry

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    If the second one is simply for WM's records then why the heck not photo-copy! It will not do great things for PR I am sure...... coupled with the fact that as Mac said .. in many cases the prices are not by default greatly lower than other places.

    It would make me think twice before buying .. gotta say.
     
  4. jobu07

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    Eh, I work at a wal-mart in New York. I'm not a sporting goods associate... But i do help out there a lot (what else does one have to do while at wal-mart for 8 hours other than look at rifles and ammo?) and we fill out one yellow sheet and then make a photo copy after the sale to keep in our records. But we keep'em for 10 years, the DM has nothing to do with it at our store either. Just some intercompany discrepancies i guess.
     
  5. Rusher

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    P95Carry


    "If the second one is simply for WM's records then why the heck not photo-copy!"


    We(the sporting goods minions) thought of that....well only a "select" few have the code to start up the copier.....that suggestion was shot down real quick and hard.........



    Well I could give you guys an e-mail adress to complain if you would like.......I guess this is more for the people in the area


    Rusher
     
  6. hksw

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    Huh, small world. I use to live on Union Rd. and work at the WIX (Dixon) plant.

    IMO, the price for whatever I was buying would have to be a bit lower (at least $10) than anywhere else to consider filling out the second form. (Gotta say that's the first I've ever heard of such a thing.) Is Jumbo Sports still around?
     
  7. joab

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    Wouldn't that put the store in possession of 2 federal documents saying that I took possession of firearmS?
    Where does the first form go. I was under the impression that the form stayed at the location of purchase?
    Why does Wally need a back up list?
     
  8. Jim K

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    The 4473 is ONLY for the dealer's records. What is the other one for? Does Wal Mart send one copy to the police or BATFE?

    Jim
     
  9. tc300mag1

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    First ive ever heard of filling out a second Form and i just bought a shotgun from wally world 2 weeks ago
     
  10. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    Wal Mart is my shopping destination of last choice: too much Chinese junk, and customer disservice seems to be the norm.
     
  11. Zach S

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    having to fill out two 4473s doesn't bother me, since the only thing I buy at wal-mart is ammo anyway.
     
  12. Rusher

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    Guys and gals

    The second form is for our records....they stay at least at our store one: at the counter....second in our secure gun room........I guess just in case one gets lost.....and as one of you guys stated ......the second is just for Wally world's retention.........then they are destroyed after so many years....I dont think it's 10 years but it is more than 5.........


    For all you THR-ers in the area come visit me and I'll hook you up with a discount for customer satisfaction:D :D .....for all the mis-deeds my fellow wally-world associates( in sporting goods ) have done in the past



    Rusher
     
  13. Trebor

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    There is no way I'd fill out TWO 4473's for any store. The .gov requires that I fill out one and if your store REALLY wants a second one for it's own records, feel free to copy it. If the store management doesn't trust you with the keys to the copier, that's your problem. No fair trying to make it MY problem by having me fill out a second, completely unneccessary, 4473.

    It's called CUSTOMER SERVICE, not make the customer bend over for your convenience...
     
  14. Nick1911

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    I only bought one gun from walmart becasue I had the chance to take 20% off any one that they could order. (As an employee I get 20% off one item in the store for a christmas bonus... kinda double sided if you ask me, b\c you end up dropping $ in the store for your "bonus" :scrutiny: )

    At any rate I got an 11-87 for about $517 so I can't complain. And only one form had to be filled out!
     
  15. F4GIB

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    I would NEVER fill out a second form. The law only reguires one. It stays at the FFL dealer. What possible "legitimate" use is there for a duplicate copy???

    Your manager has his head up his ... .
     
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    Nick, I used that same little 20% deal to get a SS mini14 out the door for roughly $400 flat. Not bad I though. But it is an interesting tactic of wal-mart to do, they really try to sap as much out of employee payroll to come back to the stores as they can.
     
  17. Nick1911

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    LoL yea, it's a nice perk - for both sides of the fence...
    But hey; it gave me an excuse to buy --*another*-- gun!

    Nick
     
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    My point is that it is not a duplicate 4473 it is another 4473 with my sig on it
    taht they are not accountable for. A duplicate would not have my signature on it. It would have a copy of my signature which has no legal value should somebody decide to enhance their collection.
     
  19. Valkman

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    I wonder if they tried that crap here - something was up because as I understand it WalMart sells more guns than anyone, yet the store near me suddenly pulled all their guns and said that management has decided to quit selling firearms. ??? There were always emtpy slots so it looked like they sold alot of guns. I don't get it, but then I don't get a 20% discount so I don't buy guns at Wally World. :)
     
  20. Zach S

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    I notice a lot of empty slots at wall-mart too. Same slots, every week. Theyre beside the same rifles and scatterguns that were there last week.

    I dont think they sell to many guns.
     
  21. Greg L

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    Aren't the 4473's serial numbered? If so doesn't WM have to account for the ones that they have? If they do, how can they destroy them after 5/10 years? Even if it was a duplicate record of one sale (which makes no sense, copy the dumb thing if you have to have a record) you would think that they would have to keep them also for the 20 years that the official ones need to be kept. :confused:
     
  22. Ala Dan

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    Let Wally World try that crap here, in good ole
    Bombingham, AL; and I'm sure they would
    see their profit margins dwindle! :( My dealer is
    actually cheaper on some models of firearms than
    Wally.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  23. PATH

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    There are two Wally world stores withing driving distance of me. Neither makes you fill out more than one 4473. I am surprised as I am in a state where you get your shoes broken on a regular basis as a firearms owner.
    If it was really a great price I guess I might be tempted to fill a second one out.
     
  24. Hkmp5sd

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    I would consider it an annoyance and would not buy a gun if the store required it....

    The original 4473 is for store's records. As long as the store maintains its FFL, it retains the orignal 4473. The same information (excluding the questions section) is also listed in the bound book. So you already have two seperate lists of all guns sold and who purchased them. What is the purpose for having a second original 4473? If the store is concerned about losing the information in some manner, it would be more logical to keep a backup copy of the bound book instead.
     
  25. TXBera

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    Joab had a good point, you fill out the 2nd 4473 with your sig and then someone with a criminal background steals the dup and you have just straw purchased a firearm for a criminal.

    The law says one, I will fill out only one. I could always take my biz to Academy down the road.
     
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