.45 230gr XTP & Red Dot

[PETERpH]

I bough some .45 230 gr XTP and I only have Red Dot powder; I haven't be able to fine any data anywhere. I call Hornady, they have no data information on this bullet with Red Dot. I also call Alliant but they have no information as well.

My question is: have anyone had ever load anything with this components before?
Or have you ever come across on any data from any recognize company that can put me on the right direction with this components..
Thank you.

 

[hey_poolboy]

I'd start out treating it like a plain 230gr. fmj. If it were me I would start around 4.5 and work up. If you google it you should find some info. Most seem to be getting best results @ 5gr. With powder scarce lots of folks are experimenting. I'd much rather use another powder (slower burn rate) for something like that.

 

[yamahawarrior89]

My Lee 2nd edition states 5.0 for the min and max for a 230 great jacketed. Not specific to the xtp. Velocity is 910.

My Lyman 49th doesn't list red dot for that bullet weight

 

[Lj1941]

230 45acp

As another poster has said around 5 Grains of Red Dot is in the ballbpark for that combination. The 2004 Alliant data has a max for a 230 FMJ of 5 Grains. Start the normal 10% reduction which will be 4.5 and work from there. I use a lot of RD in 45ACP but it is all hard cast.

 

[PETERpH]

I do have my books but none of them mention .45 230gr XTP with Red Dot I believe (titegroup) is very similar then Red dot on Hornady book is
4.3 grain min.
700 FPS
B.C. 0.188
C.O.L. 1.230"
I might start at C.O.L at 1.245
Because of the comprecion of powder.?!?
I think I will start at 4.0 and we hope for the best.


If anyone have any more input to this will be appreciate!

 

[rcmodel]

Tightgroup data has NOTHING to do with Bullseye data.
Don't go there!

4.0 likely won't function the slide.
Start at 4.5.

Use the 1.230" OAL shown by Hornady.
There is a reason for that.
Because of the longer bearing surface on the XTP, it will jam into the rifling sooner then many other bullets.

Or find out what the 'Plunk Test' is and determine max OAL. for your chamber from that.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=506678

rc

 

[Steve C]

This is from Alliants on line data circa 2002. With a 185 gr JHP they list quite a bit more for maximum load. Remember to Reduce 10% below the maximum for your start loads. I would start at 5.4gr and work up.

 

[Lj1941]

2004 Alliant data list a 230 Grain JHP no brand given. They list the max as 5 grains. Start at 4.5 grains and work up to a maxium of 5 grains of Alliant Red Dot.You ask for help and you have been given all that we can. DON'T SUBSITUTE ONE POWDER FOR ANOTHER BECAUSE IT COULD BE THE SAME.

 

[PETERpH]

Thank you everyone for helping me out!!

I have been looking in to 5 books that I have, and this is what I came out with.

On the Lyman 9 edition they have data that they have use on 185gr HP with Red Dot they use 3.5 gr. but their's no data for the 230gr.

Example: (185gr. With 700X 3.5gr) on the (225gr 700X use 3.1gr min 4.8 max)

Every single powder that was use with 185 gr they use less powder on a heavy bullet 225 gr....
My believe is that I should start loading 230gr HP XTP with Red Dot is a 4.0 if I'm looking a velocity near the 800 fps.

@RCMODEL the "Plunk Test" is the same on the 45 bullet gauge and the barrel as well I am happy on that part....!!!

 

[1KPerDay]

4.0 RD behind a 230 will be pretty light but it should run your gun if you hold onto it nice and solid. I got some jams in my Glock 30 with it shooting one-handed. 4.5 is a good middle of the road load and should run in any .45 ACP pistol. Be sure to work up as with any other load.

 

[PETERpH]

Is a 230gr XTP (HP) from hornady

 

[1KPerDay]

Understood. Your posts are a little confusing... I understood you're looking for 800 feet per second for some reason? 4.0 grains red dot will likely be slower than that.

 

[PETERpH]

Thank you everyone I did some shooting today and I try the XTP with a RedDot I did what you guys told me...!
230gr XTP with RedDot 4.5gr Very good grouping at 20 yards I didn't check velocity today but I was happy with the results.

Thank you again.


Safety first...!