45-70 govt vs 500 smith and wesson

[Wanta B]

Outstanding!!

I know some folks that are located in SW Oregon,Rogue Valley,so travel,once back state side,will be no problem...I am assuming Oregon coast area?

First hand,side by side comparison...sounds like fun! Regardless of the winner.

I'll bring my .460Wby too.Perhaps the .416 Taylor,.416 Rigby,.375 Ruger as well. If you are interested. I have an old custom I had built in '89,.338-.416 Rigby that spawned the .338 Lapua. 250gr@ 3275 fps:

 

[Maverick223]

Impatiently awaiting the results.

 

[coosbaycreep]

I actually live in the Roseburg area right now, but I'm looking at moving somewhere else soon.

Whenever you get here though, I'm down for slinging some big bullets and bruised shoulders.

 

[Wanta B]

My apologizes gentlemen but it will be a bit before I am back state side...around spring.However I too am eagerly looking forward to the results!

Should prove to be lots of fun...

 

[phatgemi]

For me personally, the choice was very simple. I live in Indiana and the 500 is a legal deer cartridge whereas the 45/70 is not. So guess which one I sold? I made someone a happy camper as they now have a nice 45/70. For the naysayers, the 500 can be loaded very light for plinking and pretty potent. Plenty of gun for those of us caliber restricted. Sometimes the permissible calibers laws trump ballistic agruements.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

The FACT is that,today,the .45-70 is often loaded to power levels the original .375 H&H could only dream of...To which that original .375 HH did VERY well,obviously!! To say the "modern" .45-70 is incapable of taking anything walking on this planet with regularity is,well,WRONG!!!

With todays powders and projectiles my little .358Win. achieves more penitration than the original 375HH. Not power but penitration,tho' power is VERY close.

I agree. But be that as it may, it STILL does not make the .45-70 gov't a legal caliber to use on DG in most (if not all) African countries (unfortunately), in my understanding.

 

[Wanta B]

I am finding that is indeed the case most of the time.However I am also finding that "special hunts" are being granted.I need to look into that more.

To me it seems very strange that,since it can be loaded just past the old cordite 375HH--a proven loading--that it would be considered under power today... To me it seems folks have to much "magnumiteus",taking the place of skill at arms and courage under pressure.

Please keep in mind that statement includes myself at times and given a choice I typicaly go for the larger projectile,ie. in order of selection...358Win,.338Fed,308Win,7mm-08,260Rem,243Win....35whelen,338-06,30-06,etc.,etc. Also I have the choice of using 5.56x45 but quickly foresake it for 7.62x51. and .45ACP,tho' I do carry a 9mm too, and back home I quite often hunt deer with a .300WM or .45-70. Infact,save pistol cal. carbines and a few 5.56x45,three uppers for FN-FAL .243Win,.260Rem and 7mm-08,I do not owne a rifle smaller than .308Win..

I suppose,sometimes I just want to put the critter down,being a meat hunter mostly,and sometimes I want a bit of a thrill...I mean I went on a medieval Boar hunt in Texas a couple of years back...Period bow,arrows a boar speer,sword and 13" knife.

 

[Wanta B]

I just noticed that I had stated my .358Win. will out penetrate the original .375HH...I actualy can not say I have first hand knowledge of that.Only secound hand.I do trust the sorce however. Still I did get caught up in the moment.

 

[Wanta B]

Ummm,goodness,I miss spoke again...I have several rifles in .22LR.

 

[Maverick223]

...sometimes I want a bit of a thrill...I mean I went on a medieval Boar hunt in Texas a couple of years back...Period bow,arrows a boar speer,sword and 13" knife.

You my friend, are crazy...I hope you had a medieval hand cannon (perhaps a medieval .45-70 ) to back you up.

 

[Wanta B]

ROTFLMAO...NO...no...but there were six of us.That might count as a midieval six shooter.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

but there were six of us [with spears]. That might count as a medieval six shooter

heh heh....

 

[Maverick223]

NO...no...but there were six of us.That might count as a midieval six shooter.

Sounds to me like a six [strike]shooter[/strike] thrower.

 

[Wanta B]

Possible example of basic penetration charactoristics... See the thread "Are semi-auto rifles truely need for HD",post #80. Look at the 9mm 147gr and the .308 155gr. ...I know that they are different projectiles but weight is similar and speed difference is similar to the more powerful .458s compared to the .45-70.

From what I have seen and have been trying to descibe is that,indeed the larger .458s do create much more devistating wounds but do not reach the penetration of the slower .45-70. Or so it seems. Again,I beleave this to be do to hydrostatic/liquid tension.


Yes I am most definately still in for a shoot offthis spring.
Don'tcare how it turn out,just want the results...

 

[Wanta B]

Oh and hey,with the bows and arrows it may still qualify as a "sixshooter"...

 

[Maverick223]

Still impatiently looking forward to it...