Warren
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Stainz...
That is awesome. Thanks.
Just made it my new wallpaper.
That is awesome. Thanks.
Just made it my new wallpaper.
.45 acp revolver recommendations
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Brian Dale
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Ummm, they're cheap, they're readily available and they're easy to custom-fit with a pocket knife or Stanley SurForm plane. I won't tell anybody not to buy nicer ones as long as they fit.BlindJustice said:
neviander
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Well, reading more here on THR, as I do, I read that if you're carrying an autoloader and a bad guy somehow gets up on you and pushes the slide out of battery, you're S.O.L. ...Happy to know that that is not possible with a wheel gun.
Even MORE of a reason to get that 625JM
Even MORE of a reason to get that 625JM
Warren
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Another thought on the Stainz pic...it would make a great jigsaw puzzle. Imagine a whole line of gunny oriented jigsaws.
Vern Humphrey
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Bumping the slide out of battery is only a momentary advantage -- all you have to do is move the gun with the bump.
But if he grabs the cylinder of your revolver it's all over.
(But how did you let him get that close in the first place.)
Crowman
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I have many .45 caliber revolvers but in .45 ACP I am limited to the new 325 PD and a very low serial number S&W M-1917. S&W is now shipping their new Night Guard series and have an offering in .45 ACP. It is heavier than the 325 PD and should not hurt as much to shoot. It is an "N" frame Smith and is large, but if you are built on the large side, you can conceal it under a vest. The revolvers in .45 ACP are interesting to play with. You have options of using moon clips for defence (extreamly fast reloads) and autorims for use in the woods. I will be cooking up some snake shot with autorim cases and speer shot capsules in the near future. Do not shoot commercially loaded (as in CCI) .45 ACP shot shells in the revolver..they are intended for auto pistols only.
Brian Dale
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What problem do they cause in a revolver?Crowman said:
Crowman
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If you look on CCI's product literature, they state that shotshells designed for .45 ACP auto pistols should not be used in revolvers. If you look at the shot shell product line from CCI or Speer, you will see that auto pistol shotshells are designed differently from revolver shotshells. The autopistol shotshells do not use the plastic capsule that contains the shot so the load can bridge the cylinder gap. Autopistol shotshells have the lead shot placed between plastic disks (wads) and the case mouth is stretched and extruded to mimic a bullet configuration that extends up and partially around the top wad. Revolver shotshells use a plastic capsule instead. Plastic shot capsules would shatter during action cycling in a semi-auto. That is why .22 LR shotshells break when you try to shoot them in a Ruger Mark 1, II, or III semi-auto.
If you shoot a shotshell designed for an auto pistol in a revolver, you might get sprayed with lead shot.
If you shoot a shotshell designed for an auto pistol in a revolver, you might get sprayed with lead shot.
Vern Humphrey
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You also run the risk of the primer backing out and tying up the revolver.
RadioactiveMarine
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"Well, reading more here on THR, as I do, I read that if you're carrying an autoloader and a bad guy somehow gets up on you and pushes the slide out of battery, you're S.O.L. ...Happy to know that that is not possible with a wheel gun.
Even MORE of a reason to get that 625JM "
Neviander
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Well... the wheel gun can be disabled in a similar way. As a young cop in the "old days" we were instructed in how our revolvers could be disabled in a struggle, or you can disable a bad guy gun. It's real simple, try it. Empty your revolver, now grab it with your whole off hand over the top grabbing the cylinder. now try to pull the trigger - you can't because the cylinder can't turn. Now you say " if it's cocked I can fire" but that can be disabled too if you put a finger between the frame and hammer, but in real life, few cock it first unless target shooting or hunting. Anyway, point being if you know your guns, any of them can be disabled in a struggle and we practiced this.
Even MORE of a reason to get that 625JM "
Neviander
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Well... the wheel gun can be disabled in a similar way. As a young cop in the "old days" we were instructed in how our revolvers could be disabled in a struggle, or you can disable a bad guy gun. It's real simple, try it. Empty your revolver, now grab it with your whole off hand over the top grabbing the cylinder. now try to pull the trigger - you can't because the cylinder can't turn. Now you say " if it's cocked I can fire" but that can be disabled too if you put a finger between the frame and hammer, but in real life, few cock it first unless target shooting or hunting. Anyway, point being if you know your guns, any of them can be disabled in a struggle and we practiced this.
Vern Humphrey
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I would bet willing to be more men have died trying to push back a slide, or grab a cylinder than have succeeded.
Remember, the reason you carry a gun is so you can settle the fight while your opponent is still too far away to grapple with you. With a revolver or an automatic in a self-defense situation, don't let your opponent get close enough to grab your gun or any part of your body. If he's close, hold your weapon in a proper retention position.
Remember, the reason you carry a gun is so you can settle the fight while your opponent is still too far away to grapple with you. With a revolver or an automatic in a self-defense situation, don't let your opponent get close enough to grab your gun or any part of your body. If he's close, hold your weapon in a proper retention position.
Stainz
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Crowman,
Welcome - and thank you, newbie, sir, great info re the CCI shotshells. The only ones I use are the .38s - in my 642 when I'm mowing. I still don't like copperheads - they seem to like my yard, however.
Re struggling over your firearm... it would seem that if you were right in presenting it, you should just use it before they close the distance... a threat to your life, etc. A swift kick in the shin, etc, or two fingers into the neck or eye(s) will dissuade them from grappling over your defender.
Stainz
Welcome - and thank you, newbie, sir, great info re the CCI shotshells. The only ones I use are the .38s - in my 642 when I'm mowing. I still don't like copperheads - they seem to like my yard, however.
Re struggling over your firearm... it would seem that if you were right in presenting it, you should just use it before they close the distance... a threat to your life, etc. A swift kick in the shin, etc, or two fingers into the neck or eye(s) will dissuade them from grappling over your defender.
Stainz
Vern Humphrey
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No need to kick or gouge. If you had to draw, and he's still coming, there's a standard solution to that problem.
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Brian Dale
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That's beautiful, Old School. Thanks for posting that photograph.
Now take it out and get it dirty again.
Now take it out and get it dirty again.
LA Rondo
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Now that I saw the .45 ammo warning, I am concerned 
Yesterday, in anticipation of my soon to be coming 625JM, I bought this from Walmart.
Maybe someone could verify if this is the desirable ammo grade for the 625JM.
More elaboration on ammo issues much appreciated.
PS, things may get thight in CA, once again, as they are trying to eliminate 'mail order ammo' among other conveniences.
Also, I can see the "one size fits all" big Hogue rubber pad. I was planning to get one of the regular N-frame rubber grips for shooting, as they work well for me and keep the JM grip for presentation purposes.
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Yesterday, in anticipation of my soon to be coming 625JM, I bought this from Walmart.
Maybe someone could verify if this is the desirable ammo grade for the 625JM.
More elaboration on ammo issues much appreciated.
PS, things may get thight in CA, once again, as they are trying to eliminate 'mail order ammo' among other conveniences.
Also, I can see the "one size fits all" big Hogue rubber pad. I was planning to get one of the regular N-frame rubber grips for shooting, as they work well for me and keep the JM grip for presentation purposes.
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Vern Humphrey
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That's fine ammo for your purposes. The only issue is with shot cartridges designed for a specific action.
They can't do that. First of all, the Post Office is Federal, not state.
Secondly, the Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce.
They can't do that. First of all, the Post Office is Federal, not state.
Secondly, the Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce.
neviander
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Ya know what, I think I got wrapped up in the anticipation of revolver madness. I've never owned one, but with all the positive things I am reading about them I never stopped to think how a revolver might be defeated. Of course the whole, bad guy disabling my auto, scenario is pretty low on the priority list of things to think of before purchasing a handgun. Thanks again for the input, guys.
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Brian Dale says:
I am ready to do so as soon as time permits. I also have a PX4 to ring out. Should be an interesting outing. I will be slinging a lot of 45 acp. I'll let everyone know how they perform.
I am ready to do so as soon as time permits. I also have a PX4 to ring out. Should be an interesting outing. I will be slinging a lot of 45 acp. I'll let everyone know how they perform.
DickM
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Regarding prohibition on mail-order ammo:
As those of us in Massachusetts know, "they" can effectively ban mail-order ammo sales, and even sales of reloading supplies. I agree that it's unconstitutional, but that doesn't stop the left-wing pols here. Regardless of whether the ban could withstand a court challenge or not, it's effective because it's not worth the dealer's time and money to challenge them, at least not for the size of the Massachusetts market (CA might be a different thing). Even a very big mail-order house like Midway won't take up the challenge, and in fact won't even ship to a non-MA address if they know the buyer is in MA! There are a few vendors around who haven't forgotten where they left their cojones, and simply try to fly under the radar, continuing to sell to us, often after receiving some sort of "hold harmless" letter. Many of us maintain our own list of who they are and guard it carefully.
As those of us in Massachusetts know, "they" can effectively ban mail-order ammo sales, and even sales of reloading supplies. I agree that it's unconstitutional, but that doesn't stop the left-wing pols here. Regardless of whether the ban could withstand a court challenge or not, it's effective because it's not worth the dealer's time and money to challenge them, at least not for the size of the Massachusetts market (CA might be a different thing). Even a very big mail-order house like Midway won't take up the challenge, and in fact won't even ship to a non-MA address if they know the buyer is in MA! There are a few vendors around who haven't forgotten where they left their cojones, and simply try to fly under the radar, continuing to sell to us, often after receiving some sort of "hold harmless" letter. Many of us maintain our own list of who they are and guard it carefully.
LA Rondo
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Thanks Vern, that's good to know ( I forgot to mention, my real name is "Greenhorn")
Well, I didn't want to open up another can of polit-worms, sorry for the comment.
Too many things are being done, that I consider unconstitutional. But that's really another subject.
As of now, Wallmart offers the lowest prices so far on commonly available ammo, which is good. I hope it stays that way.
I just got weary, because if the mail-order option should be off the table, much less competition will press them to keep their prices low.
Well, I didn't want to open up another can of polit-worms, sorry for the comment.
Too many things are being done, that I consider unconstitutional. But that's really another subject.
As of now, Wallmart offers the lowest prices so far on commonly available ammo, which is good. I hope it stays that way.
I just got weary, because if the mail-order option should be off the table, much less competition will press them to keep their prices low.
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I'm not surprised at the accolades heaped on the various Smith model 25 versions in this thread. I am a little surprised that little or no mention has been made of my favorite .45acp revolver, the Blackhawk Convertible. Yah, I know it's not a "combat" revolver, but it'll do for most things, doesn't need moon clips, and generally shoots really well. I had a couple some years ago and also a couple of Vaquero convertibles. None of those are with me today but I am soon to take possession of 4 5/8 Blackhawk. For shooting .45acp, to me the new grip shape on the Blackhawks is perfect and better than the old ones. Plus the lighter alloy-frame is just right for shooting the moderate loads in .45 acp. My only other .45 acp revolver is a Cimarron Thunderer, another convertible. Also a very nice revolver, though probably not as suited as the Blackhawk for shooting +P loads (which I won't do in the Cimarron). I am not terribly fond of moon clips for the long haul but there are some nice .45acp revolvers and I wish there were more. 45acp is a great revolver round. Best in a single-action where its modest pressure and short length often allows it to simply drop out of the loading gate when reloading but that's MHO. I used to try my hand at bowling pins with a 5" 625 and the moon clips made for an amazingly fast reload. Anyway, just wanted to raise a flag for the Blackhawk Convertible.
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I like the moon clips just fine, but I've recently been having a lot of fun with the .45 Auto Rim. It's really a silly looking little cartridge and it's kind of hard to justify its existence, but I've already grown fond of the odd little guy. Reloading them is a snap, and (just like the ACP, of course) you get "stock" .45 Colt performance out of them.
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