.452" dia. jacketed OK in .45ACP?

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Anyone use .452" JACKETED in their 1911 or other 45? Specifically I want to use the Hornady 250gr XTP in my Kimber. I would use the 260gr Speer but they are almost impossible to find here in Canada. However, the 250gr Hornady is available. Any other .45 heavyweights I should be aware of? Thanks!

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The diameter is fine - -

Most all .45 ACP bullets run about .4515 to .452".

I trust you are aware that the old, original, factory load for the prototype pistols was a 200 gr. bullet. When the round was officially adopted for US military use, it became a 230 gr. bullet at about 820 feet per second. All service pistols since have been set up and "timed" for use with such a load.

The pure bullseye target pistols are normally set up for the 185 to 200 gr "soft" loads. All this in aid of the cautionary note: Be pretty careful in using the heavier bullets in a 1911 type pistol. You can easily produced battered parts.

Back in the mid/late 1970s, I was seeking a specialty load for bowling pin matches. shooters loaded the H&G 20 gr. SWC to higher velocity. My idea was to use a lower velocity, heavy bullet, load with increased momentum. I wanted a bullet with a flat meplat and sharp shoulder, to "grab," dig into, the plastic covered pins, to drag 'em off the table. With a round nosed bullet, an off-center hit tended to glance off and allow the pin to spin around and maybe not leave the table. Pins had to not only go down, but leave the table as well.

I loaded 250 to 265 gr. hard lead semi wadcutters with around 5.0 gr. of Unique. Worked pretty well, too. Then I got away from in shooting and went purely into IPSC competition. My loading efforts were entirely directed toward loading ball-quivalent ammo, and I left the heavy bullet ACP loads behind.

My first thought is that you'll have difficulty loading the heavier JHP bullets fast enough to get any expansion at all, using a standard .45 ACP pistol and brass. A .45 Rowland or Super, perhaps? Another consideration is that the already arched trajectory of the .45 ACP cartridge - - If you run a 250 to 260 at down around 600 to 650 fps, it will be even more rainbow shaped. Which said, the broad faced, heavy SWC would be a pretty fair short range defensive load, if you could tolerate handloads . . . .


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Johnny
 
Jacketed bullets are just fine in .45ACP. That's all I've shot in 30 years of 1911 ownership, and all I shoot in my Kimber.
 
Thanks JohnnyGuest, good stuff to know. Twowheel- I'm not trying to be rude, just clarifying that I was curious as to whether .452" dia jacketed bullets designed for the .45 Long Colt are OK in the .451" groove dia. .45ACP. Typically the (stated) specs for bullets designed for the .45ACP are .451" dia. jacketed, and .452" dia. lead.

The loads I'm working on split the difference between +P and Super pressures, that is why I am somewhat leery about using a .452" jacketed and possibly raising pressures unnecesessarily. I'll be using starline .45 Super brass, shockbuffs and a heavy wolf spring. Thanks for the input folks.

Ardent
 
Not a problem. I shoot both 45 colt and 45ACP. Modern guns of these calibers have standartized so that .452 is OK for both. Earlier, mostly black powder type 45 colt had .454 barrels.

From many years of handloading hand guns my advice is to always start low and watch for signs of pressure as you increase powder in small increments. .452 bullets in .451 barrel will increase pressure, so you'll get same velocity with less powder.

I happen to load Hornaday XTP of various weights, as well as Speer gold dots, Winchester silver tip and Remington JHP as well as copper plated Rainer from 185 to 230 gr. For practice I tend to use FMJ but for serious use I use HP's. I'm beginning to like Speer gold dot's over XTP. Personal opinion.
 
Good stuff, I also load Rainer 230gr plated. I just like the freedom from lead worries, the price helps too.

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