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.45ACP for the 1860?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Stormson, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Stormson

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    Maybe its age, maybe wishful thinking... But I could have SWORN that there was once a Taylor's or R&D conversion in .45acp, for the Pietta 1860, that could be used with the standard .45LC backplate? I know there is still one like for the Pietta Remington, but I cant find one for the '60 anywhere???

    Is there a reason they wouldnt be on the Taylors site? Seems to me the '60 would be at least as good, if not better... Heck it seems to fairly well cry OUT for the ACP, given the issues with overall case length of some LC?
     
  2. Crawdad1

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    I see them for the Remington but not for the Colt. You can also use a 45 Schofield in the 1860 conversion cylinder.
     
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  3. Stormson

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    Yeah I know... But since I already use .45ACP it seemed the logical place to start. Not really too interested in the Schofield if I could have both ACP and LC... Seems like those two would do it.
     
  4. Don McDowell

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    Doubt that an 1860 would stand up to the pressures of the ACP, would most likely stretch the frame.
     
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  5. Stormson

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    Hmm... I have a good steel frame Pietta, but you could be right. Then again, the plethora of brass framed colts out there in the hands of those not all that knowledgeable about BP in general, could also be a much bigger headache then the manufacturers are willing to deal with.. And of course the ACP doesnt come in "cowboy load".

    Still could have sworn I saw one somewhere, sometime though... Just cant seem to shake that haunting feeling ya know?

    It most have been a dream... A wonderful,wonderful dream LOL
     
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  6. Don McDowell

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    The pressures of the 45 colt run about 12-14000 psi, the ACP runs at 21000, that would put quite the load on the unsupported front of the frame on the Army and Navy colt guns, where the Remington and their top strap would likely hold up better. Besides the lack of the rim on the ACP makes heaspacing a pain in the butt in a revolver cylinder.
     
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  7. Stormson

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    Hmm.. Yeah, and not even the FRAME so much as the frame holding the ARBOR,which would probably take the brunt of it. I can see where that wouldnt last too long without light handloads anyway.... And of course those wouldnt cycle in an auto, so in effect negating any real advantage in starting there.

    Damn...

    Guess I better take another look at that schofield round after all.. LOL
     
  8. Don McDowell

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    Yuppers the Schofield probably the better option.
     
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  9. Blackpowdershooter44

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    Maybe you're thinking of the Colt Walker .45 ACP conversion?
     
  10. the Black Spot

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    I looked and looked for one a few years ago, and it seems they have been discontinued in the 1860
     
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    The back up plate used in the R&D/Howell conversion can only be used with low pressure loads. The back up plate can not with stand the dynamic pressures that the recoil plate on a standard revolver can.
    As for the .45 Schofield. The Government requisted a semi-auto .45 pistol similar to the .45 Schofield. The then new .45 ACP filled that need. The .45 ACP loaded at Schofield ballistics makes a nice conversion round.:)
     
  12. 45 Dragoon

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    Well, its good to hear what folks want and a gated version would be doable!

    Btw, the the frame of the open top is supported. In fact, the arbor system (made /setup correctly ) is stronger than the Remie setup.
    Not to mention, the acp cylinders for revolvers work just fine. I have one for my 45C El Patron and it is quite accurate!!

    I am currently working on "various conversions " and knowing what folks want is good info. A 45acp round in a '60 would be awesome!!

    Mike
     
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  13. Stormson

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    It could be...I never delved real deep into the whole conversion thing before, I just thought for sure I had seen them.
     
  14. Stormson

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    "Discontinued"??? Are you saying that they did have them at one time for sure?
     
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    Err... The back plate for the Remington is already set up for both the 45LC and 45ACP??? Its not a back plate issue or it wouldnt work in the Remington either... Or am I missing something??
     
  16. Stormson

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    Absolutely Mike!! If it can be done affordably yes!

    Now... as far as gated, yes that would be even better,but would I be able to use the same gated back plate for both LC and ACP (and maybe Schofield?) therefore making it even more affordable, the was the remington swapable ones are now?
     
  17. 45 Dragoon

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    Absolutely Stormson! The more, the merrier!!

    Mike
     
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    and then there could be the 45 autorim thrown into the mix.
     
  19. Stormson

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    I wondered about that as well LOL

    Or a cut down LC to make a .45BP short? That would be cool too... I love versatility... When it WORKS.

    If I am correct, the rim of the LC and Schofield are different?? How much different would the auto rim from those two? Which would it be closer to?
     
  20. Stormson

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    So how much would we be looking at? Taylor's sells its standard 1860 ,45LC cylinder for $200 even. In this seriously backward day and age thats actually considered a good deal... If you can compete with that, AND provide the extra features we are discussing... eh.. Man like that could make out quite well for himself!
     
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    Yes they did have them for sure. I was too slow in getting one. I think it was ruver junction trading co.
     
  22. Don McDowell

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    i don't know, but looks to me like value wise a Uberti Colt clone in 45 colt with the acp interchangeable cylinder might be a better deal at 550 or less.
     
  23. 45 Dragoon

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    Cost is always dictated by fabrication and demand. Just have to wait a little longer. Let's don't get too far ahead . . . . .

    Mike
     
  24. Don McDowell

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    And there is always the 1872 open top clones in 45 colt at 450.
     
  25. Stormson

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    Yup, those are great deals Don! Thing is, I already HAVE a Pietta colt that cost me almost $400 with the snubbie barrel and thunderer grips. Wasnt even thinking about a conversion at first, but am warming up to the idea... I really like the versatility of these old timers, and will be happy that I can still shoot plain ol' cap and ball as well, even if I do decide to dabble a bit in those new fangled, self contained cartages LOL
     

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