45acp Small Primer

[LiveLife]

Federal isn't the only manufacturer, I have seen Winchester, CCI, Fiocchi, CBC, etc. and may be the future trend.

 

[coalman]

They've run fine for me and I'd prefer all .45acp be small pistol to keep things simple.

 

[Elkins45]

I haven't seen any and I hope I don't ever need to acquire any new 45ACP brass. My Lee Pro1000 is set up to do 45 ACP, but I have used it to do 9mm and 38 special in the past. One of the things I have found is that it handles large primers much better than small ones. I hope to continue using it exclusively for large primer loads for many years to come.

 

[Slamfire]

"There is no SAAMI spec for primer size for the .45 ACP. To keep costs down we are loading a small pistol primer in the .45 ACP because performance from the large primer to the small primer is the same."

Since SAAMI is a voluntary industry organization, there could be a large primer spec if Federal wanted it.

But they want more profits so they will use the cheaper primer and charge us the same amount.

You can boycott small primer ammunition.

Probably won't make a difference.

 

[918v]

Whatever material cost you save on the primer, you'll make up with the additional brass in the case.

 

[elwoodm]

federal also makes 7.62x39 in small rifle primers instead of large rifle primers that the other brass manufactures make. just loaded some the small rifle primers up to see if a change can be noted from the large rifle primers. most of the powders are fast for this round so i will not see much change i think.

 

[jcwit]

Whatever material cost you save on the primer, you'll make up with the additional brass in the case.

Are you implying the manufacturer does not know how to control or cost out his raw materials used in the manufacture of his product?

 

[beatledog7]

I'd bet that a big percentage of those who buy factory .45ACP ammo neither notice what size primer it has nor care, since they don't reload.

 

[Bowfishrp]

Biggest hassle is keeping them separated from all the large cases I have. Press has a real hard time trying to stuff those large primers in those small holes.

 

[LiveLife]

When I sort my spent cases after a range session, I not only look for military crimped cases, but now also look for small primer 45ACP cases and separate them in a box so I won't have to stop my "rhythm" when loading progressively.

 

[mizer67]

You can send all the nasty small pistol primer .45 ACP brass to me.

I'll properly dispose of it for you.

I never need to change primer size on my presses, and only have to stock one type of pistol primer using SPP .45 ACP brass.

 

[FROGO207]

For me there is little difference in the procedure for loading 45 ACP either way. I will handle each piece of brass and inspect it completely at one time in the cycle. At that point I will toss them in the appropriate container to reload when I do a batch. I always have several K of both size primers on hand anyway. I have not noticed any difference in performance with the change to a different size primer in my 45 ammo. Either there is actually none or I am that poor of a shot.

 

[orionengnr]

I sort out the SPP .45 acp brass after cleaning and throw them in a zip-lock bag.

When I get enough to make it worth the effort, I give them to my bud, who has been loading .38 Spl for a year and is just starting to load .45acp. Now he doesn't have to swap out priming bars and tubes.

If I didn't already have 10,000 or so pieces of LPP .45acp brass, I might be tempted to go the SPP route. But I can't un-ring that bell.

 

[LiveLife]

Well, I found the solution for my lot of Tula SP primers that won't all go "bang". I still get some failure-to-fire in 9mm and 40S&W cases but they have all gone "bang" in 45ACP cases.

So, I'll be using up some 20K+ Tula SP primers with a happy smile on my face!

If your Tula SP primers won't ignite 100%, you may consider using them for small primer pocket 45ACP cases.

When life throws you lemons, you make lemonades.

 

[thagunman]

i must have gotten a good batch of tula sp primers because all of mine have gone bang. 9mm, 7.62x25, 38, 380, and 45.

 

[918v]

Are you implying the manufacturer does not know how to control or cost out his raw materials used in the manufacture of his product?

I'm not implying anything. The reason the SPP ammo costs the same as LPP ammo is due to the cost of brass. SP primers use less brass, but the SPP cases use more brass, so it's a wash.

 

[jcwit]

SP primers use less brass, but the SPP cases use more brass, so it's a wash.

More than likely it the ease of manufacturing and less changeover, also the use of more SPP's, probably down to the hundredths of a cent but when you're looking at millions of rounds it would make a difference.

 

[918v]

So why would anyone expect the manufacturer to restructure it's pricing? So they save a penny on a box of ammo, so what?

 

[Otto]

Is there an easy way to ream out a small primer pocket to a large one?
I've done it with a Sinclaire uniformer tool but it wasn't designed for that and it wasn't easy.

 

[jcwit]

So they save a penny on a box of ammo, so what?

Never worked as a Procurement Officer or in Cost Analyzing have you. I personally know of a company losing a contract with a company manufacturing lawn seeders over a 1/4 of a cent per seeder. This is a seeder retailing for 30/40 dollars. And the manufacturing company had never had a late shipment in a period of 8 years of supplying the retailer.

Yes, pennies do make a difference.

 

[918v]

For you and me? You actually care that Federal is pocketing the five cents? You think they owe you the difference?

 

[jcwit]

For you and me? You actually care that Federal is pocketing the five cents? You think they owe you the difference?

You are joking, no?

I'm just stating pennies and even fractions of a cent are important when it comes to manufacturing items that are manufactured in quality.

Nobody owes me anything, nor me them.

 

[jard]

Personally, I think some people just don't like the idea of their .45 acp being associated with 'small pistol' in any way.

Truth be told, at a local range I shoot at there are two sides, one for small pistol and .22 and the other for big pistol and rifle. There are guys that get all upset that their .45 acp is sent to the 'small' side of the house.



EDIT: Oh shoot, not sure how I got caught on a really old thread. My bad, sorry to bring this one back up!
EDIT #2: Ok, I do know how it happend, I followed the link from http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=649184

 

[joneb]

I guess I need to resend my comment in post #21 at last count I have around 500ct of SP 45acp I think I will keep them around in case of another primer shortage or whatever.

 

[warhwkbb]

Are all the new small primer 45's considered "lead-free"? It doesn't take a genius to see that soon lead will be legislated out of all shooting. Do due environmental issues and fees, maybe using lead-free primers is more cost effective to US ammo manufacturers.

Just thinkin' out loud...