4th Generation Glock Frames Inbound
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HMMurdock
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Do I have to buy all new mags and holsters? *$&@
Oh, I definately think GLOCK is listening to their fanbase-- thats why we get generation 4's. And as denoted by "Gen 4", this isn't their first attempt at redefining "GLOCK Perfection".
The safety features (or lack thereof) is a common complain by people I sell firearms to. Even the addition of the "beavertail" on the Springfield XD has won people over the GLOCK. Personally, I don't like the external safeties, but that's personal preference. The lack of external safeties is one reason Police Departments switched to GLOCK, at least thats what I've heard from LEs around here. There were too many instances of Officers panicking and pulling a safed trigger which got them hurt. So they went to GLOCKS based on the revolver principle-- keep it in a safe area and sqeeze. Kinda like issuing AK47s to illiterate conscripts --no offense to LE, I'm in law enforcement myself but anyone in law enforcement knows half the guys we work with don't know their @$$ from applebutter when it comes to their sidearm.
I'm curious what the benefit of the full picatinny rail is? And will the new glocks fit in old-style holsters? The new GLOCKS in stock do have that additional notch in the mag and operate fine, so will the new generations feed the old style mags? Are these features only on the new .45's or can we see Gen4 GLOCK 17s in our near future? I can only assume so... Obviously this is in response to the explosive popularity of the slim-framed Springfield XD in .45, but how long until we get new variants? I want answers! :banghead:
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Oh, I definately think GLOCK is listening to their fanbase-- thats why we get generation 4's. And as denoted by "Gen 4", this isn't their first attempt at redefining "GLOCK Perfection".
The safety features (or lack thereof) is a common complain by people I sell firearms to. Even the addition of the "beavertail" on the Springfield XD has won people over the GLOCK. Personally, I don't like the external safeties, but that's personal preference. The lack of external safeties is one reason Police Departments switched to GLOCK, at least thats what I've heard from LEs around here. There were too many instances of Officers panicking and pulling a safed trigger which got them hurt. So they went to GLOCKS based on the revolver principle-- keep it in a safe area and sqeeze. Kinda like issuing AK47s to illiterate conscripts --no offense to LE, I'm in law enforcement myself but anyone in law enforcement knows half the guys we work with don't know their @$$ from applebutter when it comes to their sidearm.
I'm curious what the benefit of the full picatinny rail is? And will the new glocks fit in old-style holsters? The new GLOCKS in stock do have that additional notch in the mag and operate fine, so will the new generations feed the old style mags? Are these features only on the new .45's or can we see Gen4 GLOCK 17s in our near future? I can only assume so... Obviously this is in response to the explosive popularity of the slim-framed Springfield XD in .45, but how long until we get new variants? I want answers! :banghead:
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Grayrider
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I was told the new Glock 21s will take the old mags, but I don't see how that could work given the mag catch would have no groove to set into. I would bet new mags work in old guns, but not the other way around. Pure speculation though. I had wondered about the holster issue myself. Probably depends on the holster and how formed it was to the shape of the rail.
By the way I said "dark earth" above, but recalled later my associate said "tan". I assumed he meant dark earth, but could be wrong.
John
By the way I said "dark earth" above, but recalled later my associate said "tan". I assumed he meant dark earth, but could be wrong.
John
HMMurdock
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I'm assuming this "4th Generation" concept will bleed past the Glock 21 "slimline" and into the model 17s and such, but the G21SF appears to me to be a response to the Springfield XD ... And I'm still baffled by the concept of the full rail? The light and/or laser is the only accessory I can think of going on the rail and modification of said rail would do little to no good... and if you haven't already, don't bother checking Glock's website. I don't think it's been updated in years.
Will the old-mag friendly "Gen 3"s still be produced or will these new ones totally replace the line-up? I WANT ANSWERS! :banghead: All in time... all in time...
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Will the old-mag friendly "Gen 3"s still be produced or will these new ones totally replace the line-up? I WANT ANSWERS! :banghead: All in time... all in time...
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The G21 is not a Slimline. That is a term used for the G36. The grip circumference of the G21SF is decreased--but it is just as wide, to accomodate the 13 round magazines.
The average person is confused by the prospect of 2 new Glock pistols. They are combining the idea of the G21SF (with recontoured grip and ambi mag release), with a separate proposed pistol--the Slimline, G36 "Tactical"--a full size, G36.
The G21 is not a Slimline. That is a term used for the G36. The grip circumference of the G21SF is decreased--but it is just as wide, to accomodate the 13 round magazines.
The average person is confused by the prospect of 2 new Glock pistols. They are combining the idea of the G21SF (with recontoured grip and ambi mag release), with a separate proposed pistol--the Slimline, G36 "Tactical"--a full size, G36.
BrennanKG
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Curare,
Just to restate/clarify for the slow folks in the room, ie me, it is looking like Glock will be offering a full-sized G36?
Thanks,
B.
Just to restate/clarify for the slow folks in the room, ie me, it is looking like Glock will be offering a full-sized G36?
Thanks,
B.
atblis
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What's the hangup
I am still waiting on the single stack subcompact 9mm (me and everybody else). Kinda like a Kahr that is reliable and durable.
I am still waiting on the single stack subcompact 9mm (me and everybody else). Kinda like a Kahr that is reliable and durable.
BrennanKG
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Curare,
Are you sure about that?
I know the G30 is mag staggered.
The one time I shot a G36, its mag certainly looked like a single stack 6 rounder to me.
B.
Are you sure about that?
I know the G30 is mag staggered.
The one time I shot a G36, its mag certainly looked like a single stack 6 rounder to me.
B.
BrennanKG
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Cool.
Thanks for the explanation.
I was disappointed with the G36 so I didn't investigate much after my one experience with it on the range. I was just a little too whippy for me. I imagine a longer barrel and slide would remedy this for me.
B.
Thanks for the explanation.
I was disappointed with the G36 so I didn't investigate much after my one experience with it on the range. I was just a little too whippy for me. I imagine a longer barrel and slide would remedy this for me.
B.
VERY basic description:
Gen 1--very smooth texture wrapping 360 degrees around grip.
Gen 2--rough "grenade" checkering on front and backstrap.
Gen 3--thumb rests and Glock spec rail.
Gen 4--? grip, ambi mag release, Mil-Std-1913 rail.
There were other small changes along the way, including extractor angle, parts finishes, etc. I do not believe that the G21SF rail changes will be seen throughout the model range, however.
Gen 1--very smooth texture wrapping 360 degrees around grip.
Gen 2--rough "grenade" checkering on front and backstrap.
Gen 3--thumb rests and Glock spec rail.
Gen 4--? grip, ambi mag release, Mil-Std-1913 rail.
There were other small changes along the way, including extractor angle, parts finishes, etc. I do not believe that the G21SF rail changes will be seen throughout the model range, however.
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denfoote
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I already own a G36.
Might the "new" mags just fit it????
That would be of more interest to me!!
bluejdixon
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Im sure you have already seen this, but posting for those who havent.
Grayrider
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I like that. Perhaps I should hold on any Glock purchase for a bit. When will those ship?
John
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CountGlockula
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I'll be the first one in line!!!
bluejdixon
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Actually, there is much speculation to whether this is actually a genuine ad... Most of us on GlockTalk aren't buying it... Yet
Quiet
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It's was displayed at the International Association of Chiefs of Police convention (which ended Wednesday).
Glock reps there said no ambi-mag release and manual safety. Ambi-mag release may be an option.
Glock reps there said no ambi-mag release and manual safety. Ambi-mag release may be an option.
What the heck? This thread is 2 years old and got brought back to life by bluejdixon posting that incredibly bogus ad. There's no way that Glock is putting those ugly serrations on their pistols. And that stupid grip texture? Shame on you people that believed it!
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