5.56/223

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You know , I am old enough to remember when 223 and 5.56 were the same cartridge.
I see new guns saying 5.56 and can shoot 223. but 223 can not shoot 5.56.
just wondering if ya'll are old enough to remember too. I even reloaded 223 rounds too shoot in Ruger mini 14 in old military brass my brother in the air force gave me. They worked great by the way!
 
They are different chamberings. 5.56 Nato is a looser chamber with a longer leade and a looser neck so ammo made at the rate of thousands of rounds per minute that has gathered God knows what from the battlefield will chamber when it is a life or death situation.
The chambers on the M16A1 barrels I worked on were already to 5.56 NATO specs before 1988.
 
all I remember was the M-16s we had in the coast guard, were firing 223 cartridges in 1974 when I was stationed in Puerto Rico, and when I retired on March 1st 1989, they had all changed to 5.56
 
Most mini 14's will shoot 5.56. I know mine will.
I think Ruger has stated all the Mini-14 chambers will shoot both fine. The older ones are stamped .223 Caliber, not .223 Remington

If there is any doubt just send Ruger the serial number and see what they say.
 
I am old enough to remember when 223 and 5.56 were the same cartridge.
I see new guns saying 5.56 and can shoot 223. but 223 can not shoot 5.56.

You’re old enough to remember when people either didn’t know or didn’t care, but they never were the same pressure standard, nor have they ever used the same throat dimension. So you don’t “remember when they were the same cartridge.”

I even reloaded 223 rounds too shoot in Ruger mini 14 in old military brass my brother in the air force gave me. They worked great by the way!

Reloaded brass for either is exactly the same for either, so this never would have made any difference, ever.
 
all I remember was the M-16s we had in the coast guard, were firing 223 cartridges in 1974 when I was stationed in Puerto Rico, and when I retired on March 1st 1989, they had all changed to 5.56

Well the Coasties always did have supply problems.
Perhaps some resourceful Quartermaster purchased commercial ammo. Issue ammo at that time was stamped with a two letter code for the ammo plant, LC being the most common, and two numbers for the year.
IIRC, even the ammo we were issued in 1981 for ROTC, which was leftover VN war stuff, said 5.56mm M193 on the 20 round boxes.
 
coasties having supply problems is nothing new, although for drug interdiction patrols, were the first to be issued berettas. I had told my brother in the air force, we were issuing berettas 9mm, and he said air force still using 1911A1s in 45 acp that was in 1986
 
coasties having supply problems is nothing new, although for drug interdiction patrols, were the first to be issued berettas. I had told my brother in the air force, we were issuing berettas 9mm, and he said air force still using 1911A1s in 45 acp that was in 1986

I was in the 7thID(L), we got our M9's in the Spring of '87, we were the RDF for the PTO, 101st was RDF for the East Coast. They got theirs when we did, so you must have been right behind the SEALs for issuing.
 
The cartridges are the same dimensions. 5.56 CAN be loaded to slightly higher pressures. That doesn't mean it is always loaded to the red line. In fact, virtually all 5.56 factory loads will still be loaded to pressures within 223 specs. If you're a hand loader and push the envelope with your loads, you can get a little more pressure with 5.56.

Semi auto, and full auto rifles stamped as 5.56 have slightly different specs for the chambers than 223. This is primarily to improve reliability. Either cartridge will chamber and fire in either chamber. If you have a rifle stamped 5.56, they are completely interchangeable with 223.

If you have a semi-auto stamped 223 and fire 5.56 ammo through it you MIGHT run into reliability issues, and repeated use MIGHT result in premature parts breakage. But there are currently no semi-auto rifles being made with 223 chambers. The only one ever made was the very early Ruger Mini-14's and those have been stamped 223/5.56 for at least 30 years. In a bolt rifle you'll never have an issue.

At the end of the day, yes there are very, very minor differences in allowable pressures. And 5.56 chambers are usually cut on the loose side to enhance reliability; 223 chambers are usually cut to tighter tolerances to give better accuracy.

Some perspective.

The 30-06 was put into service in 1903 with modifications in 1906. Since 1903, 30-06 loads have been upgraded 3 times with modern factory loads capable of 400 fps more speed than the original loads. There are 4 different power levels available for 30-06, with a far greater range of pressures and velocity than 223/5.56. And not all of them are compatible with all 30-06 stamped rifles. Yet, we don't have 4 different designations for 30-06.

The chamber dimensions on 30-06 rifles over the last 120 years and between dozens of manufacturers have varied considerably as well due to manufacturing tolerances. If you have 30-06 rifle, you're far more likely to run into an ammo incompatibility issue than shooting 5.56 in a 223 chamber.
 
is the same with the 308 winchester/7.62x 51 nato. exterior dimensions are the same, but 308 winchester loaded to higher pressures. 308 will fire 7.62 ammo fine. but pressure problems can arise when going the other way.
308 ammo in 7.62 chambers.
 
sometimes i think stoner should have stayed with the 300 savage in the ar 10, might have saved some ammo problems. 300 savage is really close downrange to the 308.
 
I was told the difference between a boat and a ship by a Old Navy Vet who stated, " you can put a boat on a ship but you cannot but a ship on a boat". This should be true, sounds good to me, but I spent 21 years in the Air Force so what the hell do I know.
 
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