5.7x28 - gimmick or useful SD round?

[ec4321]

And so, then, falls the superiority of the 5.7.

Which handgun rounds are superior to the 5.7 for armor piercing?

 

[Skribs]

And so, then, falls the superiority of the 5.7.

Because the 5.7 has the same recoil and same capacity as a .45.

Also, the size of the hole *may* make a difference. It's just hard to say how big a difference in a real-world scenario. It's also hard to say whether the PWC of the 5.7 will be bigger or smaller.

Another thing to consider - one nice thing about yawing rounds is they don't clog up and fail to expand after going through a wall, meaning a lot less overpenetration. This would apply in the case of the 5.7.

IMO, here's what you have:

Pros for 5.7: Lighter platform, lighter recoil, higher capacity, rifle-like wound channel (albeit smaller than a rifle, at least brings it back up on par with the other service calibers), long-range accuracy.

Cons for 5.7: Wouldn't do well in a compact (short barrel = less velocity = smaller wound tract), noise, availability/price/options.

 

[Ash]

Mountain Eagle with 30-06 armor piercing rounds. One shot sucks, and loss of velocity from a short barrel sucks, too, but armor piercing it is.

That handgun would be far superior with armor piercing.

CZ-52, armor piercing without the piercing cost.

You know, I'm just not worried about baddies in armor. Wanna talk real world? They really exist in the same proportion as IRA terrorists on the streets of SOHO. More people in America are struck by lightning each year than are killed in a decade by armor-wearing psycho murderers. Real world scenarios? Body armor bad guys make the news stories exactly how many times?

Anybody here wear a lightning rod baseball cap?

Me, I live on the dangerous side. I carry a 45acp with a paltry ten rounds of ammo in its mag. There are even times I really shake it up and live really on the edge with a mere 6 rounds of 357mag in a Ruger Police Six. Once, I even wandered about the back yard looking for a prowler using a British cutlass from the Napoleonic Wars. The funny thing about that, it lets me sleep just fine.

Enjoy the 5.7.

 

[Skribs]

I guess the whole argument can boil down to three main facts:

1) Just because something works doesn't mean it is the best tool for the job.
2) Just because something isn't the best doesn't mean it doesn't work.
3) It is impossible to know what the best is.

 

[Orion8472]

And as I suspected, . . . a bit of a "pissing contest" with this topic.

The 5.7x28 round will do okay for defense. Because no one would even want to get shot with a .22lr, and because the 5.7x28 is quite a bit more than that, it makes it a viable round. Maybe not as good as some of the bigger/slower bullets, but who the hell cares! It will work if you do your part. . . . . which is true of just about any of the handgun loads out there.

 

[Ash]

And sideline judges as well. They all come with a topic, eh?

Folks are going to be comfortable with what they like. I drive a Jeep Cherokee in the woods (I'm a Forester). Some guys think I'm dumb for that, believing that a full-size 4x4 is mandatory. I don't get stuck because I'm light in the mud and have a turning radius far better than a pickup - I can even drive firelanes.

Now pardon me while I swagger off with my six gun.

 

[ec4321]

Mountain Eagle with 30-06 armor piercing rounds. One shot sucks, and loss of velocity from a short barrel sucks, too, but armor piercing it is.

That handgun would be far superior with armor piercing.

CZ-52, armor piercing without the piercing cost.

You know, I'm just not worried about baddies in armor. Wanna talk real world? They really exist in the same proportion as IRA terrorists on the streets of SOHO. More people in America are struck by lightning each year than are killed in a decade by armor-wearing psycho murderers. Real world scenarios? Body armor bad guys make the news stories exactly how many times?

Anybody here wear a lightning rod baseball cap?

Me, I live on the dangerous side. I carry a 45acp with a paltry ten rounds of ammo in its mag. There are even times I really shake it up and live really on the edge with a mere 6 rounds of 357mag in a Ruger Police Six. Once, I even wandered about the back yard looking for a prowler using a British cutlass from the Napoleonic Wars. The funny thing about that, it lets me sleep just fine.

Enjoy the 5.7.

The statistics of likelihood are irrelevant.

You unilaterally declared the 5.7 to not be superior.

It is a superior handgun round for armor penetration.

Nothing you have said has disputed that.

 

[Ash]

But, it is not a superior round. I have a friend who drives a Ferrari. Sucks for him, because it can't pass Atlanta's emissions test. But, it's still a Ferrari. I drive a Jeep Cherokee. Which is the superior vehicle? His depreciation off the lot was more than the cost of my Jeep, and 0-60 there is no comparison.

Superior? Mine has a better turning radius. It is superior when it comes to getting parking places. Mine also can go through mud and has a ground clearance that is capable of actually clearing a speed bump without bottoming out. My Jeep even has more comfortable seats.

On a speedway, I have no chance unless he runs out of gas - and even then he can still win if any distance is involved.

In my world, his car is of little value. I don't blame him, and I do, naturally, share with others that I have ridden in a Ferrari. It is an impressive machine. But throwing kayaks on the top and heading down to the swamp, or navigating rough back-woods trails for work, there is no comparison. No amount of cost makes his Ferrari better.

And chances of occurrence are completely relevant. If I am to face armor, I want something to defeat it. Ma Deuce does it better than the FN, so why not go the right way? In self defense, the chances of going against armor rank up there with getting struck by lightning (worse, actually). I frankly need to lose no sleep (in fact, I don't lose any sleep) in the notion that my 45acp will not handle body armor as well as your 5.7. Not likely ever gonna need it. For me, that advantage is the same advantage the Ferrari has in speed. Perhaps true, but more irrelevant than percentage of occurrence.

So, you may purport to have a Ferrari. In handgun rounds, you don't, but let's just pretend. It may be superior to other handgun rounds in armor piercing, but that does not impress me. You like that, fine by me. If you are comfortable with the round, then carry it and use it.

But a superior round it does not make. Or do you seriously plan to tell me that the 5.7 is superior to the 357 mag?

 

[Orion8472]

Not a sideline judge as much as a sideline "I can't believe this topic is being rehashed the same way as before. . . again".

Oh, and I would absolutely do a Forester. Their all wheel drive is pretty nice.

 

[ec4321]

And chances of occurrence are completely relevant. If I am to face armor, I want something to defeat it. Ma Deuce does it better than the FN, so why not go the right way?

Completely logical Ash.

Same could be said for your 45. Get a Ma Deuce.

 

[TimboKhan]

Ok. This has been better than average, but it has run its course.

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