5.7x28 legality Q (not what you think)

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A thread in ARF's FN section had a bunch of different bullets shown for people who reload the 5.7x28mm caliber, and some of them look very decidedly like they would go through body armor (a solid 45grn brass slug from Barnes for example).

Is it just illegal to sell armor-piercing ammunition and legal to reload or what?
 
AP is legal to sell.

ETA: For rifles that is. Sorry, I think I misunderstood a bit of the OP's question.
 
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Nearly all bullets designed to be shot from rifles will penetrate a bullet resistant vest. There is no prohibition against armor piercing bullets for rifles.

The P90/PS90 was sold as a rifle before the advent of the FiveseveN pistol, therefore there is no prohibition (except for through FN) on it's ammunition.

Think of it this way, you could, in theory, purchase a handgun chambered for 7.62x51 (for which armor piercing ammunition is made) and said bullet would penetrate most bullet resistant vests in existence, right?

All the regulations I've seen, and I haven't even attempted anything thorough, has been applicable to handgun bullets only. Those laws only apply to material, not performance, since a .44 will make holes in quite a few vests.
 
Nearly all bullets designed to be shot from rifles will penetrate a bullet resistant vest. There is no prohibition against armor piercing bullets for rifles.

The P90/PS90 was sold as a rifle before the advent of the FiveseveN pistol, therefore there is no prohibition (except for through FN) on it's ammunition.

Think of it this way, you could, in theory, purchase a handgun chambered for 7.62x51 (for which armor piercing ammunition is made) and said bullet would penetrate most bullet resistant vests in existence, right?

This interpretation is inconcisistant with accepted interpretations.

A traditional rifle round becomes a pistol round for the AP restrictions when a pistol is commercially available for it-- even if there is only a couple specimens even released onto the market. That's why steel core 7.62x39 was banned from importation when Oly Arms released their pistol.


There is exemptions for certain projectiles approved by the AG as sporting from the composition law. It is possible that the available projectiles meet that criteria. SS190 5.7 ammo is banned from importation/mfgr for consumer sale based on composition. 5.7x28 is not exempted the way that .30-06 black tip is.
 
I thought AP handgun ammo was just illegal to import, but if its here, it is legal to buy/sell?
 
It is illegal to make armor piercing hangun ammunition

It is illegal to import armor peircing handgun ammunition

It is illegal for licensees to knowingly sell armor piercing handgun ammunition to non-qualified buyers

In most states it is legal to posess armor piercing handgun ammunition.
 
Federal law defines "armor piercing ammunition" in the most idiotic way imaginable.

"Armor piercing ammunition" is a bullet core (without jacketing), complete bullet, or loaded ammunition, which can be used in a handgun, where the bullet and/or core is made of one of the following, or a composite of two or more of the following: tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.

And "armor piercing ammunition is also any complete bullet or loaded ammunition, which can be used in a handgun, where the bullet is an FMJ or TMJ type where the jacket composes 25% or more of the weight of the bullet.

Being able to pierce a bulletproof vest has absolutely nothing to do with it. And the loopholes are pretty ridiculous; titanium alloys and cobalt alloys are about as strong as tool steel, but are legal to make bullets out of. You can also have a JHP bullet with as heavy a jacket as you want ("Punch Bullets," made for hunting, have a miniscule hole drilled in the front so that they're technically JHPs, even though they don't expand one bit). Another loophole is that the bullet or bullet core must be composed entirely of banned substances. M855/SS109 ammo is okay, because the core is part steel and part lead (it's also excluded by name, I believe). And M2 ball is probably also okay, because the core is once again part steel and part lead (there are also no common production pistols in .50 BMG, though there are a few one-offs). The still-available steel-cored Eastern European 5.45x39mm ammo is also, you guessed it, actually part steel and part lead.

That's Federal law, though. PA state law, for instance, defines AP ammo much more logically; any ammunition which can penetrate a level IIa vest. It's perfectly legal to purchase, own, shoot, etc. AP ammo under PA state law. It's only illegal to use or possess AP ammo during the commission of a crime, much like using body armor while committing a crime.
 
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I believe the Geco 9 mm BAT ammo was banned because it was considered armor piercing. I used to buy it from Old Western Scrounger. The last time I tried to order it (and this was a long time ago) and that is what I was told. it shot really good in a Browning highpower and a S & W 3914.
 
Another loophole is that the bullet or bullet core must be composed entirely of banned substances.

...Huh? So then those solid brass slugs are perfectly fine then?

I only asked because I look at the PS90, and it has so much going for it in the HD role, it's super compact, light, ergonomic, massive mag capacity, and practically no recoil. It would just need an effective loading to be ideal.

Also, I looked-up Michigan law on AP ammunition, and it seems like the ATF's definition is copied. but then again, technically Michigan's AP restriction is unconstitutional...
 
That's Federal law, though. PA state law, for instance, defines AP ammo much more logically; any ammunition which can penetrate a level IIa vest.

Actually several in Congress have tried to get federal law to say the same thing.
If passed most rifle ammunition and a lot of handgun calibers would become illegal in the United States. Since most calibers have what is legally a pistol commercially manufactured which can fire them. Thus subjecting the caliber to the restriction.

Charles Schumer I believe comes up with such legislation on a regular basis.
If it can defeat a vest it becomes illegal. Exempt are military and LEO of course.
Fortunately it has not passed.
 
^Well, but PA includes the 'only illegal if used in the commission of a felony' part. I assume Schumer's bill has no such addendum?
 
wouldn't the 7.62x25 be cosidered armor peircing? i don't own one and have never shot one but i've heard that the round will penetrate armor, steel helmets etc.
 
Wouldn't the 7.62x25 be cosidered armor peircing? i don't own one and have never shot one but i've heard that the round will penetrate armor, steel helmets etc.

Whether or not a bullet will penetrate armor has nothing to do with whether or not it's considered "AP". It's more about the materials used than actual performance.

Like most gun laws it's based on feel good stuff rather than reality.
 
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