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$5 Bounty on Coyotes in Indiana..??..

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  1. Captal_de_Buch

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    Indiana is considering a $5 boundy on Coyotes.

    Heres the whole story

    Coyote bounty proposed
    By SETH SLABAUGH
    seths@thestarpress.com
    MUNCIE - State Rep. Dale Grubb of Covington wants to put a $5 bounty on coyotes in counties where they present a threat to domestic animals or wild game.

    The farmer and Democratic caucus leader from west central Indiana said his House Bill 1118 had been prompted by sheep farmers.

    But he has another motivation. Grubb believes coyotes are responsible for a lack of rabbits and game birds.

    That's a myth, according to coyote experts, who also say coyote bounties are ineffective and ecologically reckless.

    "The coyote population over here has just exploded in the last few years," Grubb said. "They have no natural predators, obviously."

    While it's legal to hunt coyotes in Indiana in October through February, and while landowners may take coyotes at any time on the land they own, a bounty is needed "to provide a little encouragement for people to actively participate in holding the population down," Grubb said.

    Under his bill, to claim a coyote bounty a person would deliver both ears of the animal to a conservation officer. Coyote bounty claims would then be paid by township trustees from their dog-tax revenue.



    Farmers blamed


    CeAnn Lambert of the Indiana Coyote Rescue Center, in Carroll County, doesn't buy the argument that coyotes are to blame for a shortage of game birds and rabbits.

    She blames farmers for destroying fence rows and other habitat of ground-nesting birds and rabbits.

    Bobwhite quail, once one of the most commonly recognized birds in rural Indiana, have not prospered during the transition from pastoral to clean, row-crop agriculture, according to the Indiana Department of Natural Resources.

    "Over the last half century, agriculture has progressively tended toward cleaner practices resulting in the fragmentation or elimination of upland grass or old-field habitats," DNR reported in a 2001 study.

    Lambert said she had heard no reports of livestock losses in Indiana caused by coyotes.

    "What I'm hearing is people seeing them in their yards and people finding dead cats and small dogs whose deaths are blamed on coyotes," she said.

    Coyotes benefit farmers by eating rodents and insects. A captive coyote at Wolf Park, near Lafayette, was observed eating 10,000 mice in a year, Lambert said. She said that a coyote living near her barn killed 11 rats in a day.


    'A quick buck'


    According to Camilla Fox, national campaign coordinator for the Sacramento-based Animal Protection Institute, keeping coyote populations intact benefits ground-nesting birds.

    "It is a documented, scientific fact that in areas where coyote populations are reduced through ... poisoning, shooting and trapping, the result is the population of meso-predators like red fox, skunks, feral cats and raccoons increases," Fox said. "Coyotes keep those meso-predators, which heavily predate on ground-nesting birds, in check."

    In addition, Fox said, bounties are ineffective in controlling coyote populations and reducing livestock predation, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture has said so in writing.

    "When you aim to kill as many coyotes as possible for a quick buck, it wreaks havoc on the ecosystem and disrupts the social structure of the coyotes, which leads to increased breeding, increased litters and increased pup survival," Fox said.

    While lethal control might produce a short-term reduction of coyotes in a particular area, she said, the vacuum is soon filled by coyotes moving in from surrounding areas.
     
  2. Art Eatman

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    I by and large agree with the eco-freaks on this one, with the exception of areas which have sheep. Even there, however, there is more danger from feral dogs than coyotes, except during the lambing season. And, during lambing season, merely penning the sheep or holding them in a nearby pasture pretty much solves the coyote problem.

    It's foolish to restrict the hunting to a "season", however. Coyotes will breed any time of year. Breeding times are a function of the availability of food. They're not like deer.

    Art
     
  3. ARGarrison

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    Indiana curently has a season (Oct 15-Feb 28 hunting & Oct 15-Jan 31 Trapping) on Coyotes. Additionly, "Landowners make take coyotes at any time on the land they own or provide written permission for others to take coyotes on their land at any time."

    Yes, we have a coyote problem. I belive the lack of rabbits and ground hogs are directly related to a high coyote population. The lack game birds is related to the over population of raccoon. The problem with both raccoons and coyote hunting is you either do it for fun, or profit. Unlike deer, rabbit or turkey most people do not eat raccoon or coyote. With fur prices like they are, there is no profit.

    I have heard a first hand acount of a coyote killing a new born calf in Cass County.

    Do we need a bounty? No.
     
  4. Art Eatman

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    The population dynamics of the coyote is much like other critters. In times of plenty of food, the population grows. Then, they over-harvest certain prey species--and those populations decline. This is then followed by a decline in the number of coyotes.

    Numerous studies of stomach contents of coyotes indicate that approximately 85%, mas o menos, of their diet is mice. But they darned sure will kill lambs and fawns, and take "easy" rabbits.

    I was in my yard, one afternoon, standing by my truck. I heard a sort of thudding noise, and looked up in time to watch a cottontail run past, some three feet from me--with a coyote about five feet behind the rabbit. Wide open throttle in overdrive, both of them. I don't think either one of them ever noticed me. :)

    They really like table scraps and El Cheapo dog food. The funny thing is that if you feed them, they won't hang around and "sing" through the night.

    They hunt in pairs or in small family-group packs, generally. A lot of the racket is in effort to make a prey animal move, in order that it be seen. This is most noted on moonlit nights.

    :), Art
     
  5. PDshooter

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    Where in Indiana is agood place to hunt Coyotes?
     
  6. duckhunter

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    northeast Indiana,i live in huntington and there are three reservoirs with in 15-20 min from my house.and i can tell u that when we started to see more yotes the rabbits disappeared.i'd like to try hunting them,but have no idea how too and what i need. calls,lights,decoys,time of day or night. if some lives close and would like to look around the reservoirs i'd be happy to show u around if i could hunt with u.
     
  7. Greybeard

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    I doubt a $5 bounty is will be much motivation. Knowing how some politicians operate though, I suspect maybe for "publicity" via a controversial issue.

    A couple of hunter ed. students this past year mentioned that landowners of their lease actually pay them $25 for each coyote carcass ...

    When up in Texas Panhandle doing a little bird hunting back in December, I queried farmer/rancher buddy on opinion regarding reason for decline in pheasant population. My theory was that transition from row crop irrigation and tailwater pits (with good cover) to center-pivot systems could be a reason for fewer birds than we found 20 or 30 years ago. He, working several sections 12 months out of the year, offered opinion that coyotes have been more rampant and getting lots of eggs and young birds before they get out of the nests ...
     
  8. Art Eatman

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    duckhunter, there are beaucoup threads and posts on the how-to of coyote hunting, both here and back at TFL.

    There's a bit of a start for you in the "Coyotes in the hood" thread, below...

    Art
     
  9. redneck2

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    Places to hunt....

    almost anywhere....

    I was at the Star Plaza theater. This is a high-rise multi-building hotel with thousands of vehicles per day. A coyote was eating out of the dumpster. See them year round during my travels.

    There's a good video "Calling all Coyotes" Gives good ideas on how to get started

    http://www.coyotegods.com has probably the best on-line info

    http://www.varminthunters.com has a chat board

    while deer hunting I've had them within a few feet of me (archery season and couldn't draw)
     
  10. Greybeard

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    Redneck -

    THANKS for posting link to www.coyotegods.com.

    That is one I had not seen and has some really good information in the midst of some great humor!
     
  11. predatorhunts111

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    Hey DUCKHUNTER,

    If you have seen yotes or lots of signs of yotes and there has not been alot of hunting pressure I would be happy to bring the equipment and shoot them. I live in fort wayne. I have not been hunting predators for years and years but I have enough experience and time put into my equipment and I know we should get them in. We will use calls and decoys. I do aslo. Contact me at grbmailer@yahoo.com if you are interested. thanks
     
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    Ill buy the 'farmers destroying fence rows'....

    I also think CATS kill as much game as hunters-a couple times.
     
  13. Sunray

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    "...no natural predators..." That'd be wolves, mostly. Kill off the larger predators and the slightly smaller and more adaptable ones will move in.
     
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    $5?

    Id better bag a bunch of yotes, cuz the couple gallons of gass, a whole day, and a .223 hollow point are worth more than $5.
     
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    All I know is that Michigan used to pay a bounty on coyotes, and I used to hunt snowshoe hare on the southern edge of the Huron National Forest. I had seen one coyote. Then Michigan stopped paying the bounty and within 5 years, there wasn't a snowshoe to be found in that area, but my cousin who lives there was seeing 20-40 'yotes in the back yard nightly, and now 'yotes are no longer a northern Michigan critter, but found even in Metro Detroit. I haven't seen a snowshoe in 20 years, and friends are loosing pets & livestock. Yeah, obviously it's the farmer's fault... :rolleyes:
     
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    Dunno about that... When i mosved into my house (~6 years ago) it was pretty commone to see foxes in the area, and I often spent the twilight hour watching several rabbits "grazing" in the back yard.

    Since the Coyotes hav moved in, I've seen neither fox nor rabbit in a long time. We also had a flock of turkeys in and around the area, that I occasionel would see in the yard. They're gone as well.

    my bussy just started sheep raising, and has heard a few, but I think they keep away because he has a Rottweiler and a German Shepherd that "mark" the area, around the sheep.
     
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    im 50 yrs old and have lived on the same farm in jasper co my whole life being an avid outdoors person i know whats happening around here . in the 70's there was alot of pheasant and quail around also foxes in the 80's the coyotes came . by 90 quail pheasant and foxes can be seen about once a year when in the seventys you could see the birds every day....there are no changes same homes same crops same farming styles.... the only change is coyotes sing their death song every nite
     
  18. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    Anyone that doesn't think coyotes have a severe effect on rabbit and bird populations has no real clue about coyotes. When they started repopulating in South Eastern Pa I saw a dramatic decrease in the rabbits. Used to, I could go out and in 4 hours time get at LEAST 15 good solid runs from my pack. When I left Pa a few years ago, I would be lucky to get 3 or 4 runs in 4 hours. And this is from world class Beagle Hounds, not young, just started, inexperienced pups.Yes they do feed a lot on mice but believe me when I tell you, they will tear up as many rabbits as they can get a sniff of! $5.00 bounties are not going to produce a damn thing though. That wouldn't even pay for my drive halfway! I'd have to kill 10 yotes a day just to make it worth while.
     
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    Silly politicans. There's one, up here, who wants the Province to pay $200Cdn. Apparently the coyotes are hitting the sheep 'ranchers' hard. Likely never happen though.
     
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    $5 is all? When I lived in ND in the early 80's, we got $55 per pelt, especially the winter ones - we bought lots of new guns with that money.

    Here in FL, they are becoming as invasive as the hogs - they are now ranking them as one of the primary predators of wild game birds like quail, along with the fire ants, skunks and coons
     
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    $5 is all? When I lived in ND in the early 80's, we got $55 per pelt, especially the winter ones - we bought lots of new guns with that money.


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    $5 for the bounty. Can still skin and flesh but wont get $55. Around here this season-about $18-28.
     
  22. BoilerUP

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    The Clark Regional Airport - and I'm only partially kidding.

    Damn dogs lay on the runway sunning when its cold and dart across runways & taxiways in front of landing & departing aircraft - they are used to loud noise and people walking around and don't show much fear. Had a VERY large coyote (bigger than my black lab) walk on the ramp toward our jet, not 20yd away from me - wasn't threatening in the least but I do think it was curious what we were doing. My colleague almost hit one landing our Cirrus with the boss onboard one day.

    Sure, a coyote may only weigh only 30-60lb, but an aircraft hitting one on the takeoff or landing roll would cause many tens of thousands of dollars in damage.

    I've been tempted on more than one occasion to throw the 17HMR or 204 in the truck to help "lower our risk"...
     
  23. Russ Jackson

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    Give a free deer tag for 3 Coyotes. Or an extended couple days for those who provide 3 Coyotes. The Coyote problem would be gone in one season...Russ
     
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