50 state legal self defense rifles...

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Actually, in California, there is no capacity issue for any lever action rifles with a tubular magazine.
 
All guns are illegal in NJ, with exceptions.
One exception is that it is an unloaded long gun and you have a Firearm Purchaser Identification Card.

Otherwise, forget it if you plan to stop over in NJ

Then how do all of the out of state shotgun target shooters stay out of jail when they come to NJ to shoot, especially here:
http://www.mmhunting.com/
 
Then how do all of the out of state shotgun target shooters stay out of jail when they come to NJ to shoot, especially here:
http://www.mmhunting.com/

There is probably an exemption like in MA if you are participating in competitions at a shooting facility. As long as you follow FOPA rules en-route. Might want to look into that to be sure in NJ....Living in MA, I avoid NJ when I travel to TN. Takes a little longer....

LNK
 
Then how do all of the out of state shotgun target shooters stay out of jail when they come to NJ to shoot, especially here:
http://www.mmhunting.com/
They might have hunting licenses, or an FID (which out of state residents can also apply at the NJ State Police Barracks) which should get them exempted. The NJ State Police maintains a list of gun club members.

No I am not making this up.


http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/sh...-need-nj-firearms-id-card-shoot-nj-range.html

"To transport such firearms as necessary for target practice, in the manner described in paragraph 2 above, by a member of a gun club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice in going to or from a place of target practice, provided the club has filed a copy of its charter with the Superintendent of State Police and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent. "

Also remember that black powder rifles and pistols are considered firearms in that state. Black powder pistols actually need a separate 'permit to purchase a handgun' in order to buy one in that state as well as air pellet pistols.

No I am not making this up either.
 
Actually, in California, there is no capacity issue for any lever action rifles with a tubular magazine.


It looks like you're right and I was not.
Here it is.

Penal Code 16740 (was 12020 (c)(25)) defines "large capacity magazine"
As used in this part, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm



I guess they're not worried about 11+ tube fed center-fire LEVER action rifles but outlaw pump and bolt action 11+ tube fed center fire (if there are any)
 
You can thank cowboy action for that. Some of the handgun caliber lever guns can hold more than 10, so that exemption was worked in as an exchange for the cowboy shooters' support.
As far as visiting other states, California seems to be the most reasonable out of the 5 or so horror states. Aside from the assault weapon and magazine restrictions, bringing a gun into the state isn't any different than the majority of other states.
 
They might have hunting licenses, or an FID (which out of state residents can also apply at the NJ State Police Barracks) which should get them exempted. The NJ State Police maintains a list of gun club members.

No I am not making this up.


http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/sh...-need-nj-firearms-id-card-shoot-nj-range.html

"To transport such firearms as necessary for target practice, in the manner described in paragraph 2 above, by a member of a gun club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice in going to or from a place of target practice, provided the club has filed a copy of its charter with the Superintendent of State Police and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent. "

Also remember that black powder rifles and pistols are considered firearms in that state. Black powder pistols actually need a separate 'permit to purchase a handgun' in order to buy one in that state as well as air pellet pistols.

No I am not making this up either.
If they're going to require purchase permits for pistols, why are you surprised they would require one for black powder pistols? It's not like they're not just as lethal. I was always surprised a lot of places who normally issued permits didn't require them.

Pellet guns may be carrying it a bit far, although with the very powerful large caliber reservoir fed ones........
 
As far as visiting other states, California seems to be the most reasonable out of the 5 or so horror states. Aside from the assault weapon and magazine restrictions, bringing a gun into the state isn't any different than the majority of other states.

This is fairly true.

California has some complex laws for someone unfamiliar with them and how various state specific exemptions and configurations are required to possess certain types of firearms, but most title 1 firearms can manage to be possessed by someone travelling through.
There is some specific brand and model firearms banned by name, but the same or similar firearm from another brand will have a legal configuration.
Most handguns outside of a shotgun shell shooting handgun will be legal to bring with a magazine less than 10 rounds. Most pump shotguns, and most semi auto shotguns in certain configurations.
All lever action rifles. Most bolt actions with 10 round capacity limit and prohibition on .50 BMG caliber. The majority of semi auto rifles if an unlisted brand or model, and in certain configurations.



The North Eastern part of the country is much worse. You cannot even legally have many guns or classes of guns in some states without an unreasonable permit an RV traveler is unlikely to acquire.
New York state for example goes from the coast to Canada and blocks you off from everything North East of it without trying to use FOPA and going straight through with no touristy stops with locked cased firearms.
Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, all make going past New York State more difficult as well as they also cannot be a destination of yours under FOPA and also are unfriendly to most out of state people with guns and no permit. So you have to go through hostile territory to reach Vermont, New Hampshire, or Maine.
That is the biggest blockade of the nation in my opinion.

By contrast California can actually be your destination and most things can be brought in some manner. Of course they keep trying to outdo themselves in the CA legislature and it gets more complex and worse all the time. Had the Governor not vetoed some recent legislation that passed all the other branches of government in CA this answer would be quite different.
 
If they're going to require purchase permits for pistols, why are you surprised they would require one for black powder pistols? It's not like they're not just as lethal. I was always surprised a lot of places who normally issued permits didn't require them.

Pellet guns may be carrying it a bit far, although with the very powerful large caliber reservoir fed ones........
I'm not surprised, rather just illustrating the political idiocy of the state which also bans slingshots.
 
I live in Alaska now. There is a ferry (we call it the Alaska Marine Highway system) from Alaska to Bellingham, WA.

I am very appreciative of the discussion thus far.

I am indeed specifically interested in rifles. I don't care for shotguns and handguns generally have far fewer restrictions than rifles in the first place.

I like the idea about the levergun, especially in .357. However, I would like to re-focus on semi-autos.

Thank you for the great discussion.

tsh77769
 
mini 14 with 5 round mag is still legal in even NY, so I would imagine that would be good to go.

lots of people don't realize the m1 garand is ALSO NY legal, as the safe act only applies to guns 50 years old and newer. on that note, you could tote an m1 carbine with no bayonet lug, with 10 round magazines in most, if not all places, including NY. ( just remember, the stupid law here in ny makes it ok to posess and use 10 round magazines, but you are not allowed to load them beyond 7 except at the range)


another option would be a ruger 44 magnum deerslayer/deerstalker carbine.
 
Sorry LNK and others, they do not. M&M, owned by the Matarese family for three generations, hosts MAJOR sporting Clays Big Blasts" that bring shooters in from all over for several days, so FOPA is moot. They also host hunts on their property, again FOPA is moot. Folks go there all the time without issue, so someone's information is incorrect
 
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