500 Percent Spike In Biden Administration Shutting Down Gun Retailers

[kcofohio]

Over typos!

President Joe Biden is overzealously targeting firearm retailers to drive them out of business. Federal firearm license revocations for retailers have increased 500 from previous years. That’s got gun control groups excited, but it is casting a pall over the cooperative relationship firearm retailers maintain with law enforcement.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/0...ation-shutting-down-gun-retailers-over-typos/

Has anyone been hearing about this before?

 

[Mars5l]

Yea Brandon Herrera has a video on it. Atf going after small FFLs and revoking their license for any small indiscretion or honest mistake

 

[kcofohio]

Yea Brandon Herrera has a video on it. Atf going after small FFLs and revoking their license for any small indiscretion or honest mistake

So, their after someone who won't have deeper pockets to fight it?

 

[Mark_Mark]

So, their after someone who won't have deeper pockets to fight it?

100%!

 

[ExtremeSquared]

The discrepancy between enforcement of federal laws at dispensaries and gun stores warrants a closer look.
Feels like we are fully within an era where states can shield retail stores from any federal enforcement.

 

[Old Dog]

Are we surprised at the depth of corruption among the Biden administration?

 

[Roverguy]

Before this gets locked, one must question the administration’s failure to investigate and prosecute Hunter Biden for lying on a 4473 and illegally taking transfer of a handgun. Clear and present corruption.

 

[Demi-human]

The devil does not investigate himself.
When he finds he is corrupt, he giggles too much to be feared.

I imagine this to be the same.

 

[Robert]

Please, this is a real and very troubling issue. Stay on topic, leave the political hyperbole out of it. Leave the snarky, and frankly hardly ever actually funny, comments out. Focus on the issue and what might be done to combat this.

 

[Demi-human]

My apologies.
But my serious response isn’t any better…

Enforcement.
Remember when they were hiring all those new employees at the ATF? Did we think that was to go find the guns they sold to Mexican cartels? To get forms, self entered digitally, approved more quickly?
They are enforcing the laws, however arbitrary.
We should have been afraid. We hire police officers to enforce laws that we talk about, the laws that actually keep us safe, not clerks.

I guess we fight it by not making Typos.
I don’t want to talk in political hyperbole, but this is what oppression looks like. Picking and choosing who gets to feed their family or not. Telling you what job you can do or not. How many pot shops have been shut down for typos on their license? In Michigan, none. We have a department to help get everything filed in town. Somehow drugs are promoted by the government now.
How many news outlets will be rushing to cover the story like they were with the hairdressers that were shut down? We will be painted like we uphold criminal behavior. Other than all that legal malarkey this Carpenter doesn’t have an idea of what to do.
How do you fight bad government?

Voting? That was a used to be. So now what? Things we can’t talk about here, disobedience, non-cooperation, personal pressure. All not great.
Truly dangerous times.

 

[GooseGestapo]

This isn’t the first time this has happened.
Back in the 90’s under the Clinton administration, I held both Class 1 and class 6 FFL’s.
I was manufacturing my own bullets and selling loaded ammo to L.E. Agencies for practice and qualifications. I was doing well until suddenly insurance went up by 10X, and when renewal of my FFL’s came due, the cost of the renewal went from $60/5yr to 500/yr! So, renewal cost $1,000!

I boxed up my records and sent them in per requirement.

Approximately 75% of the existing FFL’s dropped out. The fee was contested by a National association of firearm dealers, but it took over a year to get resolution resulting in a fee of $60/yr.
But, damage was done by then.
Elections have consequences. Frankly, I’m surprised at how long it’s taken for things to get as bad as they have. I expected bad things given the outcome of the last election.
Given the winds of change expected at mid term elections, I expect to see a flurry of further attempts to ram through the liberal agenda...

 

[Cayle]

Yep. We had a surprise inspection a few weeks ago and the agent said that Biden is pumping millions into the ATF and paperwork mistakes that they would have you fix then and there or at worst get a 3 day suspension for they are yanking licenses.

 

[dogtown tom]

This isn’t the first time this has happened.
Back in the 90’s under the Clinton administration, I held both Class 1 and class 6 FFL’s.
I was manufacturing my own bullets and selling loaded ammo to L.E. Agencies for practice and qualifications. I was doing well until suddenly insurance went up by 10X, and when renewal of my FFL’s came due, the cost of the renewal went from $60/5yr to 500/yr! So, renewal cost $1,000!

Malarkey.
The initial cost of an 01FFL Dealer for the first three years is $200 right freaking now. Renewals for each succeeding three year renewal is a whopping $90.
The initial cost of an 06FFL Manufacturer of Ammunition for the first three years is $30 right freaking now. Renewals for each succeeding three year period is a whopping $30.

Good grief where do ya'll get this stuff?

Approximately 75% of the existing FFL’s dropped out.

Somewhat true,
The reason most of those FFL's voluntarily gave up their FFL was because they lied on their application about operating legally. They didn't possess sales tax or business permits or their premises was not zoned for a firearms business.

 

[dogtown tom]

Has anyone been hearing about this before?

Only for the last year.
I had a compliance inspection last June. My IOI told me then that the Biden Administration was pushing ATF to punish any and all errors or omissions by licensees.

ATF cannot just arbitrarily yank a dealers FFL. There is due process and a means to appeal any punitive action. But dealers must understand that ATF has always held that ANY error or omission is considered a willful mistake. As the licensee agreed to keep accurate records when he applied, ATF thinks this means one mistake means the dealer is in serious violation.

Got thousands of 4473's sitting around and haven't had a compliance inspection in years? Close that FFL, get a new FFL. Start fresh.
That won't work if you keep making the same errors and omissions.

 

[Elkins45]

Got thousands of 4473's sitting around and haven't had a compliance inspection in years? Close that FFL, get a new FFL. Start fresh.

Clever. Modern problems require modern solutions.

 

[GooseGestapo]

Malarkey.
The initial cost of an 01FFL Dealer for the first three years is $200 right freaking now. Renewals for each succeeding three year renewal is a whopping $90.
The initial cost of an 06FFL Manufacturer of Ammunition for the first three years is $30 right freaking now. Renewals for each succeeding three year period is a whopping $30.

Good grief where do ya'll get this stuff?





Somewhat true,
The reason most of those FFL's voluntarily gave up their FFL was because they lied on their application about operating legally. They didn't possess sales tax or business permits or their premises was not zoned for a firearms business.

Understand my information is 30+ years old!
I wasn’t implying current information!!!

Reading comprehension is golden!!!

 

[dogtown tom]

Understand my information is 30+ years old!
I wasn’t implying current information!!!

Reading comprehension is golden!!!

Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. But your memory suffers.
FFL fees did increase in 1993 as a result of the Brady Violence Prevention Act, but nowhere close to the amounts you claimed.
FFL fees went from $10 per year to $200 for the initial three years and $90 for each three year renewal period.

 

[stonebuster]

M

Yea Brandon Herrera has a video on it. Atf going after small FFLs and revoking their license for any small indiscretion or honest mistake

When I worked as a rock blaster, ATF&E used to show up unannounced at my boss's house to make sure our inventory in storage matched his records exactly. If we were off one detonator they demanded to know where it was. In reality I likely used one more than I recorded in my paperwork which is easy to do out in the field. On the other hand if you had a dishonest blaster he could record more than he used, the books would balance and the over recorded amount of product would be out there somewhere. My point is if you don't have honest people on the job all the best intended laws and oversight doesn't help much.