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528 yard muzzleloader kill video

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Takes some real chutzpa to shoot a deer with a single shot rifle, wound it, let it flop around while laughing and cheering, then get bent when people start talking about ethics. And to top it off, then claim that anyone who doesn't slap you on the back about it isn't a "real" hunter.

Here's a clue: "real" hunters do what they can to ensure a clean kill, and when they can't manage a clean kill the first time around, they are prepared to fix the problem right away. "Real" hunters are disgusted by long range stunts and hunters that don't have the ability or desire to fix their own mistakes.
 
I'm no physicist, but I don't believe that shot was anything close to 528 yards. 528 yards is exactly .3 miles, and the zoom-out at the end of the video doesn't look nearly that far. 528 feet, maybe.

From what I understand of muzzleloader velocities, the bullet should take over a second to travel 528 yards, and it doesn't appear to take that long on the video.

Again, I'm no expert, but I'm skeptical.

In any event, that's not a hit that I'd brag about.
 
528 feet...you just showed your ignorance...learn about smokeless muzzleloaders my friend and show me where I bragged about my shot and when I asked anyone to pat me on the back...I'm done with the people who think they know what happened and like to judge people. Thanks!
 
LOL - it's definitely more then 528 feet - but i'm skeptical of 528 yards as well. Bullet seemed to get there in an awful big hurry.
528yds = 1584ft. To get there in even half a second - you gotta have some pretty decent zip out of the muzzle. Not saying it's impossible - just, wow.
I imagine the recoil on that would be pretty fun too.
 
These muzzleloaders send a 275 grain bullet at 3000 fps. The gun is over 12 pounds and recoil is still pretty serious...but not intolerable. I don't think our Leica's lied to us...528 yards it was.
 
That is moving, similar to the 30-338 cartridge!
Does it have a muzzle break, what powder and charge. I find these real interesting. Without the case is there any chamber errrosion?
I have used others Savage with IMR 4227 I think was the powder they were using on a elk hunt. But nothing like what you are doing.
 
Good shooting guys.

That shot would not of hurt the tenderloins. The tenderloins are about 12 inches back and about 6 inches down. It may have hurt the backstrap (called the loin by some).

Good shooting, trying to hit anything at that range would be tough with a blackpowder rifle. IMO

I think you guys were alittle disrespectful with your language (calling a dieing deer a b^%$h is not cool) Also my opinion.

Overall you guys took a deer at a great distance, and what makes it even greater is you did it with a blackpowder rifle. 528 yard shot is hard for many even with a high power rifle.
 
just to ad another thing here. I went to a gun show in Des Moines about three weeks ago.

There was a guy there that had a blackpowder rifle there and this thing was about five or six feet long. the barrel was about 2-1/2 to 3 inches round.

I am trying to think how many grains of powder he said he could put in it, and I want to say it is like 400 grains or something like that. I could be wrong.
You could also put barrel wieghts on it.

The thing looked like a monster.
 
My buddy didn't like the way he came off on the video...he wants it edited out. He gets really pumped up and excited...as you can see, he mis-pronounced smoked lol!

Harve, No, it don't have a muzzlebrake...not really necessary as heavy as the gun is and it's got a good stock and recoil pad on it. The lighter ones will definitely need a recoil pad lol. No problems with any errosion.

The savages are awesome guns for the $. I have shot several 5/8" groups at a 100 yards with them with very little load work. As far as the loads, it's no secret, I just don't really want to list what we shoot in fear of someone else trying it and anything bad happening. You can go to richards custom guns and read some more about them and get some load information.

I believe the smokeless muzzleloaders are really going to take off soon. I know I'm going to have my own built by this summer for groundhogs. The accuracy of these guns are almost unbelievable. I know I promised pics of the gun and I will get them when I get in touch with my buddy this weekend or early next week.
 
Nice shot and that animal was dead and not going anywhere.

As far as the clean kill crowd, any of you eating pork, chicken or beef should do some research on factory farming. The videos alone will chill your blood.

Oh yeah, here's one: http://www.truveo.com/Meet-Your-Meat/id/3668059033

Hope you have a strong stomach.

That deer suffered less than most domestics. And yes I eat meat everyday. I'll just accept that human consumption requires the death of animals be at peace with it.

smithandwesson, don't mean to hijack your thread but the comments here about your hunting style are pretty dang hypocritical unless these guys are pure vegans.

Please convey my congrats and admiration of his shooting skill to your friend's son.
 
I'll just accept that human consumption requires the death of animals be at peace with it.

Taking a risky and totally unnecessary long-range shot at an animal for kicks and then laughing while it suffers is a scummy thing to do no matter how you rationalize it.
 
Might have been better if you would have killed the deer quickly.

Maybe insted of jumping around like a couple of jackazzes cussin you could have been reloading and taking another shot to provide a CLEAN KILL.

I thought this was THE HIGH ROAD. not the lets shoot out of our effective range and wound an animal then get all happy and cuss.

+1


Many of you who posted on this thread are NUTS... the percentage of DRT is very low no matter what you are shooting.

DRT is not the standard of ethical hunting. Doing everything you can to make a clean kill is. Taking a long shot just for the sake of taking it does not meet that standard, no matter how one wants to spin it.

Have I killed animals that DRT? Yes. Have I wounded animals despite my best efforts to kill them cleanly? Yes, but rather than jump around like an idiot, cussing up a storm in celebration of wounding an animal, because I'm an inarticulate twit, (although one that is very ashamed of my language despite posting it for the whole world to see and then drawing attention to it) I dispatched of said animal as quickly as possible.

For me it is not an issue of the results. I know of similar results from high powered center fire rifles at ranges that were a fraction of the range of the shot being discussed. The issues, for me, are the effort to make a clean kill and the respect shown to the game animal. That is an impressive shot, not an impressive display of hunting.

Finally some real HUNTERS chime in lol.

So now a real hunter is someone who condones unethical shots and pushing the limits of equipment and skill on game animals. Interesting. Or is a real hunter simply someone who is congratulatory in response to your video? In any case, my concern is with being an ethical hunter not meeting an arbitrary definition of real hunter.

I never posted this to brag

Really?

I just thought it would be interesting to a lot of you and something a little different for ya to watch.

I suppose different is an apt adjective.

Overall you guys took a deer at a great distance, and what makes it even greater is you did it with a blackpowder rifle.

Do people even bother to read the posts? Seriously there are a several posts pointing out that it was a smokeless muzzle loader, not a black powder weapon. Are you aware of the difference?

smithandwesson, don't mean to hijack your thread but the comments here about your hunting style are pretty dang hypocritical unless these guys are pure vegans.

I suggest you look up the term false dichotomy. That is what the glaring flaw in your argument is called (one of them anyways). There are multiple positions between pure vegan and eating meat from a factory farm. People who eat free range meet, eggs, etc. come to mind.

Further, your argument presumes that those people eating factory farm meat were aware of the conditions of the animals, in as much as the point at issue is the fact that it is unethical to not do what one knows is possible to mitigate an animals suffering. If you contend that knowledge is not requisite then your argument is resting on a gross equivocation of two unequal actions.

Lastly, even hypocrisy by the accuser is not a real defense for unethical action. The ethics of that shot must be judged on its own merits. If I stand up from my computer and go torture a kitten I might be worse than the OP, but it in no way negates the legitimacy of my contention that his shot doesn't meet the common standards of ethical hunting.

Keep trying to rationalize but remember they are just that rational lies (well in the case of many of these posts, they really are not even rational).

Good shooting, very poor hunting.
 
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So now a real hunter is someone who condones unethical shots and pushing the limits of equipment and skill on game animals.

Girodin,

With all do respect when I posted talking about "unethical shots" it was only the truth.. I understand your moral compass for being ethical towards animals but what I mentioned teaching new hunters or young ones to hunt isnt always something that can be done with patients and carefully conceived although it should..most of the time it doesnt..few children have patients as few new hunters have good guidance.

Believe as you will or want however.. the American hunter is a human being who no longer hunts on a hungry stomach but for sport, few hunt for survival.
 
Girodin I apologize.

I don't hunt with a muzzleloader, but many in my family do. I thought smokeless powder was a fancy blackpowder. I did not know there was such a big differnce.

Besides that I said he was using a blackpowder RIFLE. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about here, but can't you use smokeless powder in a Blackpowder rifle.:D


Now that I have apologized can I have my head back?LOL

Sorry to get off track.
 
Good lord.. Now I remember why I stopped contributing to forums. This battle is going to go on forever. Plus all the big words I cant pronounce are making my head spin. Do ppl actually talk like this in real everyday conversation??
 
I enjoyed the vid and BTW nice shot at extreme range and could care less about the language. I sound worse getting a splinter and you DID warn on language and content. Ignore the naysayers and gottabaDRTforme types.

Enjoy the vittles
Patty
 
Well, the name of the forum is "The High Road". Might be a clue that many posters here don't shoot for the lowest common denominator. If you want to prove impressive results with your custom made, and "push the limits" you don't need live game to do so. We could appreciate your innovation, craftsmanship, or marksmanship as well on paper.

Don't get your nose out of joint when you clearly knew that this wasn't "The High Road" and you get called on it. There are many outlets for "pushing the envelope" besides here.
 
i got bored after readin the first 2 lines of girodin's post...thanks for your time though.

Why does that not really surprise me? It would seem you are not only a gentleman but a scholar as well.

Based on a quick perusing your posts I will try to write it out in a way you might be more comfortable with. ya done took a sh*% shot at that there critter and I cant reckon why ya and bubba did post it on yur 'puters for all of them people to see.

The literate adults can read my other post. That is who it was intended for anyways. Your actions and comments already had me convinced you were beyond hope. I do thank you for posting a video I will likely have to refute in my efforts to preserve hunting privileges that are under constant attack by the antis. I'm sure they love videos of vulgar celebrations of wounded animals. Think about how many hunters took issue with it. How is that going to play to the general public?

Believe as you will or want however.. the American hunter is a human being who no longer hunts on a hungry stomach but for sport, few hunt for survival.

I agree 100%. The fact that most are hunting not for survival but in essence for entertainment (not withstanding the other benefits of hunting) is all the more reason to do what is possible to assure clean kills. I could understand pushing the envelope on a shot if it might mean the difference between one's family going hungry or not. As we both know that is very rarely the case for hunters today.

Clint C,

I'm the one who needs to apologize. My response to an understandable misunderstanding was very out of line and I hope you will forgive me for it.
 
This post is not of high interest. During the civil war non-metallic cartridge rifles including the sharps (used paper cartridges at that time) and high quality muzzle loaders were used for sniping. I am positive that some of the kills made with these rifles were in excess of 500 yards. So what is the big deal of killing a deer at long range with a smokeless power muzzle loader. Target shooting in the 19th century was often conducted with muzzle loaders to ranges of a 1000 yards.
 
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Dave, Leica makes some dang nice range finders AND some dang nice cameras but I dont think they have put them together into one unit...yet
~z
 
Definition of IDIOT: When you post a video of you and your buddy wounding a deer and cussing (Which really doesn't bother me my mouth would make a sailor blush) then getting torqued off when people start baggin on you.
 
I doubt there are very many people here who are genuinely upset over the language. Few if any of us are unfamiliar with it. It's just that it was a sorry substitute for actually doing something about the deer flopping around in the background.
 
Hey guys, gonna start a new thread in the rifle thread with a few pics of the muzzleloader in a few minutes!
 
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