Just back from the first Rifle/Shottie Quick Kill course

[brownie0486]

No sir, it's threat focused pistol. QKP is just one of 10-12 skills within that course of fire.

1. The scoop draw
2. ½ hip-Elbow Up/Elbow Down: [EU/ED]
3. ¾ hip-hand/eye coordination with and without movement
4. Zipper
5. Bump-2 body and 1 head shot from the hip at 4 feet from the holster:
6. Quick Kill Hip: multiple threats from the hip
7. Compressed ready: two handed
8. Quick Kill: one and two handed
9. Sprint and Hits
10. Hiding behind a wall of bullets in-line and obliquely
11. Lateral movement to the threat in both directions using QK two and one handed
12. Shooting responses from behind you
13. EU/ED with movement
14. Enhanced Peripheral Vision drill
15. Point shoulder

We don't get to all of them at times, but the 5 core skills are what we concentrate on, the others if we have the time.

 

[brownie0486]

If you are going to instruct, at least use the proper and correct terminology

Shottie it is then

 

[brownie0486]

Question. Do you actually call it a "Quick Kill" course?

Royal, where this course is concerned, yes, it's called Quick Kill rifle. The skills were what the army adopted from my mentor and named it that. McDaniel only called it instinctive rifle, the term qk is the armies course name.

Just wanted to clarify the difference between the pistol and rifle courses.

 

[another pake]

The Quick Kill technique, or whatever it is properly called, is to this day one of the skills I've learned that I value most. And that is not because I consciously use it so much, but rather because I'm more aware that it's always there now working for me.

I'm not a Dr, nor a brain scientist, nor a firearms instructor, but I believe the skill has taught me that we "see" with many more inputs than just vision. Of course direct lines of sight are used most of the time, but the brain is certainly processing other inputs too, like peripheral vision, or the slight movement of air across a cheek, or an almost unseen shadow moving from behind, or the faintest sound...

All of these things help me see better.

 

[brownie0486]

The Quick Kill technique, or whatever it is properly called, is to this day one of the skills I've learned that I value most. And that is not because I consciously use it so much, but rather because I'm more aware that it's always there now working for me.

The military named McDaniel's instinctive shottie/rifle program Quick Kill when they adopted it. It could go under either I suppose, but both would be correct.

I was fortunate to have been able to train with the master of the program that was adopted by the military in 81 while at SIONICS, Powder Springs, Ga.

 

[another pake]

McDaniel's instinctive shottie/rifle program

What's very interesting to me is that while I was in the Army, 68-69, my vision was horrible and I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside. It wasn't until some years later that a pretty severe astigmatism was identified and corrected. But even though my shooting at fixed targets was lousy, my success at quick kill/ instinctive shooting was always very good. I realize now though that taking my error prone eyes out of the mix actually helped me shoot better. Now with the astigmatism corrected still targets are no longer a problem.

If only I could see the front sight!

 

[brownie0486]

pake,

Glad to hear your success with the QK rifle skills presented to you. It's fairly straight forward when you are shown how to use your natural abilities and step outside the "norm" of sighted shooting. Whether that's a pistol or rifle.

 

[David E]

What, exactly, is a "shottie?"

It sounds like what my 4 yr old would attempt to call a shotgun, but you can't blame a 4 yr old for not getting the names right.

Often, terms are shortened to make them quicker/easier to say, but "shottie" has two syllables, just like "shotgun" does, so you're not gaining anything there.

Ok, sometimes names are shortened to make them shorter to write.....but "Shottie," as spelled in the OP, has 7 letters.....just like ""shotgun."

Hmmm....ok, but sometimes gun names are modified to make them sound less threatening.....but the term is being used while promoting a course called "Quick Kill."

I would take a class called "Snub Nose Revolver Dynamics," but I wouldn't take one called "Stub Nose Revolver Dynamics" that specialized in "revolvers with a stubby nozzle."

I understand this is a minor point, but I think it's one worth mentioning.

 

[brownie0486]

I understand this is a minor point, but I think it's one worth mentioning.

That's quite a knack, stating the obvious.

Try "snubbie" class on for size and see how that fits ya

 

[strambo]

Only if you teach shottie to snubbie transitions.

 

[brownie0486]

Not a bad idea there, I'll think about it

 

[Fred Fuller]

It would appear there isn't much else of serious import left to extract here...