54 guns found in home of Pa. murder suspect

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LITITZ, Pa. - Police seized 54 guns from the home of an 18-year-old man charged with killing his girlfriend’s parents and fleeing the state with her, according to court documents filed Thursday.

Warwick Township police removed the collection of rifles, shotguns, handguns and ammunition Sunday from the home where suspect David Ludwig lived with his parents. The search occurred as police were still trying to find him and 14-year-old Kara Beth Borden.

Ludwig was being held without bail on murder and kidnapping charges after being flown back to Pennsylvania on Tuesday from Indiana, where police captured him following a chase.

Police allege Ludwig shot Michael and Cathryn Borden on Sunday at their home in Lititz following an argument over his relationship with Kara. The two had been dating, apparently secretly, according to friends and witnesses.

Ludwig was arrested Monday after crashing his parents’ car into a tree in Belleville, Ind., about 600 miles from the murder scene, during a police chase. Neither Ludwig nor the girl, who has not been charged, was injured in the crash.

Investigators have said they are treating Kara Borden as a victim but that the investigation is continuing.

Ludwig’s parents, Gregory and Jane Ludwig, issued a statement Wednesday expressing their sorrow over the slayings but have not spoken publicly. They have not returned multiple phone messages seeking comment.

It was unclear whether the confiscated weapons belonged to Ludwig or his parents.

Teen liked to hunt
David Ludwig apparently was an avid hunter and posted 20 pictures labeled “Hunting 2004” on a Web site that included an image of him posing with freshly killed deer.

Neither of Ludwig’s parents is licensed as a firearms dealer or collector, according to the national licensing center of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Police were not immediately available Thursday to comment on the search. Lancaster County District Attorney Donald Totaro declined to comment, and attorneys for Ludwig did not immediately return telephone calls seeking comment.

The Bordens were each shot once in the head with what authorities said was probably a .40-caliber handgun.

Mike Borden worked for a printing company, and his children were home-schooled, said neighbor Tod Sherman. Sherman said the family knew Ludwig through a home-schooling network.

Kara’s 13-year-old sister, Katelyn, told investigators her parents were shot after they argued with Ludwig for about an hour, according to court papers.
 
Actually, this is an example of why limits on the number of guns one can own (as in some European countries) are pointless.

With all those guns, he only used ONE of them to commit the crime.

I never can understand why the press reports "100 guns found at house" when this really has no bearing on the case at hand.
 
Neither of Ludwig’s parents is licensed as a firearms dealer or collector,

So?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Last I checked, you didn't need no stinkin' licence to buy 54 guns.
 
ArmedBear said:
Actually, this is an example of why limits on the number of guns one can own (as in some European countries) are pointless.

With all those guns, he only used ONE of them to commit the crime.

I never can understand why the press reports "100 guns found at house" when this really has no bearing on the case at hand.
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Of course it doesn't. The point is to paint the image of gun enthusiasts as murderers waiting to explode. They present the number of guns he had as if it's an "Oh, right, that explains it" kind of thing. Repeated enough, and people will come to associate an enthusiasm for firearms with being a murderer.
 
ArmedBear said:
Actually, this is an example of why limits on the number of guns one can own (as in some European countries) are pointless.

With all those guns, he only used ONE of them to commit the crime.

I never can understand why the press reports "100 guns found at house" when this really has no bearing on the case at hand.
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Amazingly excellent point, ArmedBear.

There is no sense in squawking about how many guns he had, because all but one of them were NOT used in the killings. Those guns were "harmless" here.


-flier
 
How can they seize his father's guns because of what the son did? Is there some legal basis for that?
 
Kurush said:
How can they seize his father's guns because of what the son did? Is there some legal basis for that?
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Nope, unless they reasonably suspect that they were all murder weapons, in which case they can be taken into evidence for the duration of the investigation and trial.
 
Kurush said:
How can they seize his father's guns because of what the son did? Is there some legal basis for that?
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Who needs to obey laws when getting guns "off the street"?! We have to think of the CHILDREN, Kurush! ;)


Come to think of it, why should someone who did 18 months for felony bad-check writing lose his right to own firearms, for that matter?

Lots of things don't make sense but they do it anyway.


-flier
 
How can they seize his father's guns because of what the son did? Is there some legal basis for that?
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That's what I was thinking. I _seriously_ doubt an 18 year old has been able to come up with enough money to buy 54 guns himself! So probably nearly all of them belonged to his parents.

I guess he "lived in the same house with all those guns" though. You know that's what made him "go crazy" and kill people!

Gregg
 
The Real Hawkeye said:
Of course it doesn't. The point is to paint the image of gun enthusiasts as murderers waiting to explode. They present the number of guns he had as if it's an "Oh, right, that explains it" kind of thing. Repeated enough, and people will come to associate an enthusiasm for firearms with being a murderer.
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I'll bet that, if you could get accurate numbers, you'd find a negative correlation between number of firearms owned and likelihood of criminal use.

Hunters and gun collectors tend to be gainfully employed, or in the case of subsistence hunters, the sort of people who take care of themselves rather than stealing from others.

Criminals just want to get a hold of a weapon to use. A lot probably couldn't hit a barn door from a distance.
 
dont you know ......if you have more then five guns your automatically a murderer,do you suppose if he strangled her or stabbed her to death they would make such a big deal that the guy has 54 guns????
 
ArmedBear said:
I'll bet that, if you could get accurate numbers, you'd find a negative correlation between number of firearms owned and likelihood of criminal use.

Hunters and gun collectors tend to be gainfully employed, or in the case of subsistence hunters, the sort of people who take care of themselves rather than stealing from others.

Criminals just want to get a hold of a weapon to use. A lot probably couldn't hit a barn door from a distance.
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ArmedBear, I think you just thought of a great topic to do a study on. Go for it. You can title it "More Guns, Less Crime."
 
I never can understand why the press reports "100 guns found at house" when this really has no bearing on the case at hand.
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The title sells papers and mouse clicks.
 
Standing Wolf said:
How can they seize his father's guns because of what the son did? Is there some legal basis for that?
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They're cops. They have guns. Who's going to stop them?
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If the locals had any problem, I'm sure the California Highway Patrol would have been ready to send a few officers to asist in the confiscation.
 
IF, God forbid, one of my kids did something so evil, they'd better bring a torch, because I won't be coughing up the combo to the safe. My guns aren't guilty of a crime, and you aren't going to arrest them.

It wouldn't hurt to know exactly where in the safe I store the powder, either. :what:
 
isn't it illegal in most states for someone under 21 to own a
pistol or revolver anyways?

I think this is really an example of how gunlaws don't work and we need..

"Goon Control not Gun Control"

(that's got to be my favorite sign...)
 
I must be really sick.

When I saw that headline at FoxNews, I immediately scrolled through the article looking for a itemized list of the guns.

*sigh*

LawDog
 
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