6.5 Creedmoor Dies - recommendations?

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Building my first centerfire bolt action in 6.5 Creedmoor. Went to buy some rounds today, left with 60 rounds of match ammo, a tear drop from the cost and 100% confirmation that I will be handloading this caliber.
What dies are you all using and happy with?
Casual target shooting out to 800 yards is the plan...
 
I usually go with rcbs, good enough for most loading I do. Can't go wrong with hornady it's there cartridge after all. You can pickup and Lee neck die and there fcd to cover most loading needs.
 
What did you chamber your barrel with? That reamer should be used to make the sizing die, usually out of the remaining barrel drop.

For pre fits, a fourth Hornady vote. I have strayed once to green and had to replace it with red…

But really, all brand loyalty aside, any of them have an equal chance of being great for your needs. As well, some companies make better things, but only that one thing.

Is this your first foray into hand loading, or just hand loading for a rifle?
What other equipment do you use?
Do things need to match in your world? (Mine do, and all my boxes are red, whether or not they contain Hornady dies.)
Are there some specific features you’re looking for, such as micrometer-topped sizing and bullet seating, a separate neck mandrel, small base sizing, interchangeable neck bushings, collet style neck sizing, separate body sizing?

Your process will determine what you like and will need.
I anneal, but don’t neck turn, so I prefer to use an expanding mandrel in my rifle cases, Sinclair makes the best I think. But RCBS makes an M-type expander I’ve wanted to try.
Most rifle die sets do not come with an expander.
It’s very much like building your rifle. Not everyone likes the same things because we are all doing it a bit differently, mostly with the same tools.

I hope I didn’t bore you, sleep eludes me.
 
Redding FL Type S Bushing die. Case life will be longer by not over working the brass necks.

Removing the depriming stem turns it into a body die. A body die can be used with the Lee collet neck sizing die, if you like to experiment.

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Edit/add - most of my standard dies are RCBS.
 
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I'm using a Forster FL sizing die and a RCBS MatchMaster seating die(love the windows). Very happy with both.



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I'm a big fan of the Redding Master Hunter set of dies. It has a standard full length sizing die and their competition seating die. Forster offers a similar set.

I'm not a big fan of bushing dies unless you turn case necks and I'm not a fan of turning case necks unless you have a tight neck custom chamber.
 
Lol - Lee is not in my future. It is the present as far as the presses go. I have the LCT and the single stage breech lock. I ask about dies and experience because I started with Lee dies. Still use most but now have LEE, RCBS, and Redding dies. The additional colors were because of sub par results with some of the Lee dies (not all, some). 6.5 CM has been around and just wondering what works or what issues (if any) anyone has had with different brand dies. What I dont want to do is buy a FULL set of dies to not use or be happy with one of the dies.

I am liking that Forster RCBS combo...
 
Good thread, and timely for me. Thanks!

All my pistol dies are RCBS or Hornady carbide. But as I get into rifle calibers, I am thinking of going to Redding. Still on the fence…are they as good as folks say?

Also, are Dillon dies worth it or any better? I love my Dillon 550 but don’t have any of their dies…
 
The rcbs matchmaster seating die is a real pleasure to use.... I have scrimped and have 2 now. 223 and 308.
Sizing dies I like l e Wilson and forester.
For high precision loadings I run 21st century expander mandrel and bodies.

If you run a single brand and lot of brass a bushing die for sizing is a great option.

If your running multiple brands and range pickup brass the mandrels will serve you better imo....
 
I have grown partial to Redding dies. I'm a big fan of their competition seater die for everything I'm loading. I've tried Forster's micrometer seating die but just don't like it as well. Has nothing to do with the quality of the die or the ammunition it produces and everything to do with how the micrometer feels to me. I just like the Redding one better. For a seating die, it's my favorite (though I admittedly haven't tried all of them, including the RCBS matchmaster). Whether you go Redding or not, though, I really like a micrometer seating die. If you've got the budget, it's worth the upgrade in my opinion just for the ease of use.

For the sizing die, I've used most brands and they all seem to work. For my 6.5 Creedmoors in particular, I have both the Redding Type S FL Bushing die and a Forster FL (non-bushing) die. If you don't want to mess with a bushing die (or use several different headstamps of brass), I like the Forster. The expander ball is higher up on the stem than a lot of dies and is supposed to expand the neck while the case is more supported and thus reduce the ills associated with expander balls. I haven't empirically tested it or anything, and don't have mandrels to compare it to, but it feels nice in operation and makes quality ammo.

Someone also mentioned the Redding Master Hunter set, which combines their regular FL sizing die and a competition seater. I have one of those for my 30-06 and I like it. The sizing die has a carbide expander button. Again, not sure how much of a difference it actually makes, but it does feel smooth in operation and I have no complaints on the quality of ammo. I'm not a competitive shooter though, so YMMV.
 
Good thread, and timely for me. Thanks!

All my pistol dies are RCBS or Hornady carbide. But as I get into rifle calibers, I am thinking of going to Redding. Still on the fence…are they as good as folks say?

Also, are Dillon dies worth it or any better? I love my Dillon 550 but don’t have any of their dies…
I've loaded a lot of rifle ammo with RCBS dies. I've generally switched to Redding dies within the last few years. I can't really say that my Redding dies definitevely produce better ammo than the RCBS dies did. But, to me, the Redding dies seem a bit nicer and easier to use, and I don't scrape my arm up on that obnoxious spindle sticking out the top of the RCBS FL sizer anymore.
 
The FL die needs to size brass smaller then the chamber. Most use a drill & skip the added cost of the Roughing Reamer. (From what i read)
You’re correct. I construed “chamber gauge” with “sizing die” in the wee early hours. Ha! And here it is midnight again! This Santa better get some shut eye!😅

I don’t know that I’d skip a slight cost of a reamer that comes in a set, over the cost of waiting six months on a single point cut barrel blank to be hand lapped though…

What I dont want to do is buy a FULL set of dies to not use or be happy with one of the dies.
While there is no guarantee your needs won’t change anyway, a set can be made piece-meal as well.
My target rifle die set contains the aforementioned Sinclair mandrel in a Lee die body next to the Hornady sizing die.
I buy extra seaters for my straight wall automatic cartridges, that way I can seat and crimp in two steps or stations without taking the die apart.

It also doesn’t guarantee the set you get will be manufactured correctly. I have two die sets for 50A.E. because the sizer was too big in the green box, bought a Hornady set for the sizer and ended up making an ultimate die set for that cartridge. Yes, RCBS would have stood behind their product and replaced it, just as even the lowly LEE is well known to do, Hornady is also wonderful, to me especially, in this regard. But it turns out I just needed more dies. (A fat sizer is the best taper crimp ever.)
Even (expensive die maker) can make a bad die, and all of them sell them singly.
But, not using an unneeded die isn’t the worst thing ever. Purchase unafraid.
 
I want to change the subject a little. I took my Rifle out today for its first outing. Its a Howa 1500 in a KRG Bravo stock + Vortex Venom.
These factory match rounds shot so well, I don't want to be disappointed in my hand loads. I want to replicated this round and my (safe to think) assumptions are Hornady uses Hornady dies. So i'm leaning more towards getting the Match set of Hornady dies due to these results. I found online that these rounds are packed with H4350. Further confirmation would be much appreciated.
The same projectiles are available, I will be using the brass from the factory rounds I've purchased.


10 shots @ 100 yards were taken. 1st shot was way off above the target. Adjusted and took 6 more shots with Hornady 140gr ELD Match and 3 shots with the Hornady 143gr ELD-X.



These were the 1st three after adjusting from the single virgin shot that went about 1 foot high.
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2nd set
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3rd set
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I want to change the subject a little. I took my Rifle out today for its first outing. Its a Howa 1500 in a KRG Bravo stock + Vortex Venom.
These factory match rounds shot so well, I don't want to be disappointed in my hand loads. I want to replicated this round and my (safe to think) assumptions are Hornady uses Hornady dies. So i'm leaning more towards getting the Match set of Hornady dies due to these results. I found online that these rounds are packed with H4350. Further confirmation would be much appreciated.
The same projectiles are available, I will be using the brass from the factory rounds I've purchased.

I don't think Hornady's commercial ammo is loaded on the types of dies anyone sells as reloading tools. I think they have much more complex manufacturing equipment when loading commercial ammo. But if you want to buy Hornady dies, go for it.

Also, it's my understanding that although Hornady originally used H4350 for its 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo, it now does what ammo manufacturers do all the time---use whatever they can get in bulk that meets their specifications for what they are loading, which may or may not be H4350 or any other canister grade powder. That said, H4350 is the baseline, easy-button powder for the 6.5 Creedmoor, so don't hesitate to try it. I've tried other things but usually stick with H4350 in my Creedmoor because "if it's not broke don't fix it."

Edit to add disclaimer: I don't have first hand knowledge of any of this. It's just what I think I understand from the interwebs and the Hornady podcast.
 
For those using the Hornady Dies - Custom or Match?
I plan on using the 140gr or 143gr ELD's. I know the Match die set has two different seating stems one for narrow projectiles like the ELD's?
RCBS MatchMaster - Any feedback on loading the ELD's with this die?
 
I have a mix of dies for my 6.5CM. I use the RCBS Match Master seating die and the Lee Factory Crimp die when doing the final load. I drop powder manually. I use an Hornady die for full length sizing/depriming, from their Match Grade set. Works well for my rifle. You can see the group it produces using Barnes bullets here:

I've found the Hornady Match Grade factory bullets to be very accurate also. Took some work to find hand loads that are better. There is no question they use the ELD-M bullet, but I have no idea what powder they use.
 
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