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SimplyChad
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Awesome your gonna get hurt tho
Cosmoline
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This. Seriously, please reassure us that you're going to make your CZ heavy enough to compensate. At least weigh it down with lead to start with, please. Start with a 20 pound weighted rifle on your tests. Then gradually reduce the stock weight. You cold fire a full bore .600 OK out of a light and handy CZ 550 and you could actually get hurt.
chute2thrill
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From the videos of the guy shooting the 8 1/2 lb rifle I'm pretty sure you'll be alright. Lets cool it with the "you're gonna hurt yourself." talk. Honestly it doesnt look like it kicks that bad at all. Proper stance and form when shooting the big boys goes a long way.
tundraotto
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awesome! make sure we can see the video. in HD.
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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Man, I admire what you want to do, but you're going to get hurt. And I can not idly sit by and not at least try to help you see the inherent dangers. Like a few others stated, you will be faced with the very high probability of detached retinas, and if you go blind, you can not safely shoot. You are also looking at a rapid acceleration of the human body, which of you get jostled enough, could give you brain damage. A corotid artery could go. Broken bones...
If you like recoil, stick with your .460. Let that one thump you to your pleasure. There's no point to beat yourself to a pulp over some hard-hitting amusements. I'd hate for you to have to retire from firearms early because of the .600 Overkill endeavor.
If you like recoil, stick with your .460. Let that one thump you to your pleasure. There's no point to beat yourself to a pulp over some hard-hitting amusements. I'd hate for you to have to retire from firearms early because of the .600 Overkill endeavor.
Centurion75
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Stop being such a wuss. Ditch the mcmillan stock and get a choate top folder for it.
coloradokevin
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Okay, not to drag this off on a slight thread-jack, but can anyone actually provide me with a few documented instances where a retina was detached from shooting a large hard-hitting rifle? I'm not saying that it hasn't happened, but I've heard about this for years, and have yet to see a person exhibit such an injury. I've shot a few safari rifles and a number of .50 BMG's, and I've never felt like I was going to give myself any kind of injury that was more significant than a bruise. Perhaps these injuries actually happen, but I sometimes wonder how much of this is just gun shop paranoia!
I mean, this guy has an 8.5lb .600 Overkill, and it didn't kill him:
http://youtu.be/wGfu3Rge8Xo
Granted, I think anyone with preexisting medical conditions could have problems with any high-impact activity. Similarly, I know that retinas can detach for a number of reasons related to trauma, and will sometimes do so spontaneously. But, I don't know that I'm inclined to believe that injury is imminent if someone shoots one of these guns, or that retina detachment and broken shoulders occur regularly from such activities.
I mean, this guy has an 8.5lb .600 Overkill, and it didn't kill him:
http://youtu.be/wGfu3Rge8Xo
Granted, I think anyone with preexisting medical conditions could have problems with any high-impact activity. Similarly, I know that retinas can detach for a number of reasons related to trauma, and will sometimes do so spontaneously. But, I don't know that I'm inclined to believe that injury is imminent if someone shoots one of these guns, or that retina detachment and broken shoulders occur regularly from such activities.
Cosmoline
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I know a few shooters locally who've got them now, after years of sustained abuse. It's not like you'll go "ow my retina!" The damage is insidious and it may not manifest for awhile. Just like hearing loss, it's something the shooting community didn't used to take seriously. But life spans were shorter then, and the rifles tended to be more sanely constructed. The big boomers were also *heavy*. Plus most folks simply couldn't afford to mess around with anything like this. Or to spend enough on ammo to create the problem in the first place. But times are changing.
http://frankwjames.blogspot.com/2010/02/dealing-with-recoil-and-retinas.html
With something like a .600 Overkill out of a standard weight rifle, you're dealing with free recoil greater than even the most potent 8 bores and 4 bores of old. Furthermore, the nitro recoil is not the rolling boom of many drams of holy black. It's sharp and nasty. Quite apart from retina problems and the off-chance of a burst vessel, you're courting shoulder injury. Ask an orthopod! The shoulder is a very complex joint with many ligaments that are prone to injury when shoved the wrong way. The tears don't always show themselves right away, and are often very difficult to treat.
That doesn't mean nobody should use a .600 Overkill, but rather that the weight of the weapon should be calculated to keep the recoil at least sane.
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451 Detonics
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If this is truly the goal why not build it up on a single shot? Be lighter and transfer more felt recoil to the shooter.
coloradokevin
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Cosmoline said:
Thanks for the article, it was an interesting read!
I've always wondered a bit about this subject, because I've heard about it for years. I've personally shot some safari rifles, and the .50 BMG rifles, and I've had people warn me of retina detachment with either. But, the size and power of rifles today are getting a bit more insane. A .375 H&H or .458 Win Mag isn't easy on the body, but I imagine they seem like a child's toy when compared to a .600 Overkill or a .577 T-rex. Similarly, the .50 BMG is an absolute beast, but the rifle it is fired from is also a HEAVY recoil absorbing brute.
I've never had the chance to shoot a .600 OK... I'd kind of like to try it, honestly. But, my personal goal certainly wouldn't be to have it built into the lightest weight hardest-hitting rifle imaginable.
headoftheholler
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A fool and his money (or in this case retina's) are soon parted.
I love it... somebody going to push the limits just to see how much he can take!!
It would be something to learn how to handle a rifle which when handed to your brother in law for example knocks him on his arse. That being said I think the 20" will actually give a little more recoil than the others. Right at the end of the impulse.
It would be something to learn how to handle a rifle which when handed to your brother in law for example knocks him on his arse. That being said I think the 20" will actually give a little more recoil than the others. Right at the end of the impulse.
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