well, that was not so tough. you guys had me worried. it almost sounded as tough as brain surgery. it came right apart, and went back together with ease. thank you BCRider for the EXCELLENT instructions. they helped immensely. Mr Borland, the ejector rod did not get bent, and yes, it was the screw came loose, i figured that one out as soon as it fell apart. i hate it when i do stupid things, like forgetting to check for loose screws. there is a plunger, but the screw was less than 1/2 turn from falling out! and the reason it pushed apart was i used a push to release speed loader. when i pushed, is when everything fell apart. no wear in the groove. thanks for the heads up though. i will keep my eye open for wear. i have done a lot of small intricate work on transmissions. especially European models, they are really different. but i really enjoyed the privilege of being exposed to their engineering. they were time consuming, and at times very difficult. but anything that is different from what you normally work on is that way. flat rate, not even close. but very interesting. that is part of my enthusiasm for tinkering with guns. if i were younger, i would go to school. but i am not. so unless they come out with a way to reverse aging, i will just tinker.