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Not technically an air gun, but considered same category for a lot of Europe.
Any idea where to find 6mm Flobert ammo? In USA? I found an early 1850s Belgian Flobert parlor pistol in my late uncle's stash of BP guns. I have a tin of blanks but want some loaded ammo.
 
Interesting timing. My local gun store just got in 6 boxes. He gave me two rounds to test as they weren't too familiar with them. I shot it out of my Ruger 22/45 at night. It was a lower pitched boom rather than a higher pitched crack. I'm not sure of the price but for training youngsters they have some merit. Apparently they are an 18 grain round ball at 750 fps. They claim similar to good air rifles. I'm sure out of a rifle they'd be much quieter.
 
Ok, the brand is Dynamit Nobel. The name of the store is Hide Side Corner Store
1-800-868-2343. Ask for James at the gun counter. They have six boxes in stock, that I saw.
 
Does anyone make a modern rifle that fires these, like a single shot? These look real fun, and useful for small game hunting and pest elimination.
 
Ehhh?

I don't think there is a U.S. .22 Flobert.

There are just U.S. .22 CB (using a bullet) Caps.

And there used to be U.S. BB Caps (using a round ball) years ago.

And I can't prove it, but it think they were the same thing as European 6mm Flobert.

Or at least close enough you couldn't tell the difference.

rc
 
I meant the Floberts imported for sale in the US by Sears etc, cataloged as .22s.
I have a 1901 Sears catalog reprint that is a refreshing case of truth in advertising:

Right over the column with Plain Flobert (BB cap only) for $1.60, "Remington System" Flobert (.22 Short) for $2.25, and Warnant System Flobert (.22 Long) for $2.60; it says
"NOTE- WE DO NOT RECOMMEND NOR GUARANTEE FLOBERT RIFLES. Buy a good rifle, it will pay in the end. We recommend No 6R665 (The New Peiper rolling block, $2.55) and 6R666 (Stevens Crack Shot, $2.95). We think No 6R665 (the Peiper) is the best value for the money."
 
The problem with the CCI CB Caps, in both Short & Long case is,
They are nearly as loud as .22 Short in a 4" revolver.
And not exactly Low noise in a rifle.

Aguila Colibri 20 grain @ 375 FPS = Snap!
Aguila Super Colibri = 20 grain @ 500 FPS = Pop!

CCI Short & Long 29 grain @ 710 FPS = CRACK!!!

In short, Aguila CB Caps really are CB Caps.

CCI CB Caps really aren't!

rc
 
I don't have $500 for a can, + a $200 stamp + months or years to wait to buy a suppressor.

And I don't want to be zinging 40 grain sub-sonic LR around the back yard inside the city limits anyway.

The Aguila CB Caps are the best solution I have found so far.

They kill squirrels more decisively then either of my more powerfun air rifles for some odd reason.

And the 20 grain bullet is not prone to dangerous ricochets.


And they make no alarming noise to speak of.

rc
 
Yeah, I am cheap too, made more of my suppressors than I have bought, like the one in the video above.

Also don't live in the city anymore but the one I did live in didn't recognize the difference between discharging an air rifle or firearm, both were a no no.
 
Well, they don't recognize the difference here either.

Until you shoot a window out of the neighbors house with a sub-sonic .22 LR ricochet of a tree there is no reason to get too worried.

But you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes to keep the squirrels from eating your truck wiring.

rc
 
Well, they don't recognize the difference here either.
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Guess it's only wrong if you get caught...

What is the crime for discharging a firearm in your city? Hopefully your not risking too many of your rights for a squirrel.
 
I don't know.

And I am far from the person who would ever break a law of any kind.

But after two fuel injectors, and one engine wire harness, & one smog control sensor, and a few days in the shop for my truck last spring?
And over $1,000 on repairs in two months.

I'm willing to find out now what the penalty is!

I started the scorched earth policy on them Feb 2, 2015.
Now, there are 195 less Squirrels under my truck then there was 11.9 months ago!

I haven't even seen one lately.

And that brings in other laws I am breaking too, involving F&G seasons on squirrels, hunting & trapping licenses, bag limits during the season, land owners depredation damage permits, the SPCA, and PETA.

But you know what?
I don't care.

I can't let them eat the wiring off my truck engine every time I need it to take my wife to the doctor again!!


rc
 
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rcmodel said:
I don't know.

And I am far from the person who would ever break a law of any kind.

But after two fuel injectors, and one engine wire harness, & one smog control sensor, and a few days in the shop for my truck last spring?
And over $1,000 on repairs in two months.

I'm willing to find out now what the penalty is!

I started the scorched earth policy on them Feb 2, 2015.
Now, there are 195 less Squirrels under my truck then there was 11.9 months ago!

I haven't even seen one lately.

And that brings in other laws involving F&G seasons on squirrels, hunting & trapping licenses, bag limits during the season, land owners depredation damage permits, the SPCA, and PETA.

But you know what?
I don't care.

I can't let them eat the wiring off my truck engine every time I need it to take my wife to the doctor again!!


rc
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Amen I've slaughtered hundreds of raccoons for damaging bird feeders and digging up my moms flowers. I would go out to their house at night and play call of duty on them.
 
rc,

Tree rats in the engine compartment? Yes I have used an FWB 124 and a little Annie 1441/42 with CB Longs to Deal with that exact same problem. Started out with an odd smell that turned out to be acorns cooking on the engine block. Then nesting in cars that wee parked as few as three days. Then driving the kids to school one morning the car stopped. Te little buggers had chewed up the wiring. Had to use a bit of Christmas tree light wire from The Boy's science class to get the alternator to charge the battery. Barely got home before it melted.

Killed a few more and started "playing Army" with the car, doing an actual check under the hood before starting the thing every day. Took a bout a week before ONE ate the new wiring.

I tried big honking board rat traps. I was considering pellet bait rat poison.

Then my wife commented that The Girl seemed to have started chewing her nails again and could I find the stuff that makes her not do so by making her nails taste awful. Sort of like a very thin fingernail polish and......wait a minute.

I painted the second set of new wires with that stuff. No issues with chewing wires since. I touch it up every six months or so.

Just to keep things "on topic" I sometimes carry my old pump up Crossman air pistol when opening the hoods in case a rodent of unusual size happens to be in residence at that moment. A cotton rat also nested in there once and it emptied my mechanics garage by leaping out on one of his helpers, so I worry about it if a car has been parked for a few days.

-kBob
 
rat shot in .22lr is your friend in such situations ! In a long barrel vintage rifle like a Winchester 67 with a 26" or longer (the winchester 67 is 27") they are quiet enough and the shot doesn't travel to neighbors even in suburbia also the CCI CBs are almost non existent in a such long barrel-warning the Colibri can stick ! How ever for my advanced ratting and close in ground squirrel in siliar circumstances as RC's are I have two real winner that are specialized for such work: a Remington Model 34 smooth bore, which only feeds the crimped shot but with a 26" barrel it is very quiet and deadly on ground squirrels and the biggest rat to 30 feet, and my pride and joy Anschutz garden gun, which is a little louder with it's 10" of rifling and 14" of .375 smooth bore tapering down to .360 at the muzzle . It gives up to 50 feet range with CCI number 11 birdshot (the crimped stuff is #12) and it is recent enough manufacture to share the same 5 shot magazine as my Anschutz 141 rifle :)
.22 bird shot is devastating to rats and squirrels with no threat to neighbors more that 150 feet away. In a long barrel they sound like .22 CB CCI longs in a shorter rifle . A smooth bore .22 ups the useable range by 200% :) over a rifled rifle. For opening the hood a double action snubby is really the ticket, the spread is nice at 5 feet :)
Here is the Remington 34 smoothboore, I dont think I have a picture of the Anschutz garden gun
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I have often thought one of the old .22 smoothbores would be an excellent 'city' gun.

But I have never seen one I could afford.

Your experience with .22 rat shot is different then mine however.
I know for a fact Winchester crimped, and CCI shot-caps are almost as loud as .22 LR out of a 23" Model 62-A.

I no longer have a 26" .22 rifle to try that.

At one point, I had a Winchester Model 36 9mm RF garden gun.
It was deadly at 25 yards, but again, as loud as a .410 shotgun with currently available Fiocchi 9mm RF shot shells.

rc
 
the Anschutz Garden gun with it's 22" Rutledge choke is on the bottom. The 10" section of rifled boore allows .22 bullets to be shot accurately but slings the shot loads out to the .375" smooth 12" bore section that is choked down to .360 at the muzzle. This is very effective with the CCI #11 plastic encapsulated load.:cool:
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